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Posted Aug 21, 2006 at 6:47:56 PM
Subject: roar like a lion
Brethren,   Any revelation about the verse hereunder;     Hosea 10:11"They shall walk after the LORD: he shall roar like a lion: when he shall roar, then the children shall tremble from the west.
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Posted: Aug 22, 2006 10:18:12 AM
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Brother, no doubt you meant Hosea 11:10...easy to do... No doubt, when Yahweh roars, "sons will tremble from the west." "They shall tremble like birds out of Egypt and like doves out of the land of Assyria." The comparison with birds suggests the swiftness with which they will return. Egypt here represents the land of the south. Assyria represents the region east of Israel. So, from all over the world the sons of God hear the Father's call to return to their land. The fulfillment is to be assigned to the last days, the Gospel Age, noting Hebrews 1:1-2. The true Israel of God hears the call to come to the heavenly kingdom through Christ. "And I will cause them to dwell in their houses." They will suceed in coming home to the Father and they will settle down to live their daily lives in the kingdom of his grace (11:11). "Grace," is in His Son, Christ Jesus. One has to come to mind that the the "Minor Prophets" prophesied prior to, during, and immediately following the Babylonian Capitivity. The prophecies are either fulfilled in the captivity or are given in figurative language and refer to the Church and Heaven. I say this, knowing that many ignore the plain teaching that the nation of Israel will not be restored. Many tend to conveniently overlook the following passages which teach that the biblical nation of Israel would be utterly dissolved, that it would never again be intact nor inhabit the land of promise. (a) Hosea 1:4-6 (b) Isaish 5:1-6 (c) Jeremiah 19:1-11; 23:39,40 (d) Matthew 21:33-45 (e) Matthew 23:37-38. Christ Himself taught He would "grind to powder those of whom He spoke," and the Jews "understood that He was speaking about them" in Matthew 21:45. The Premillennial /Literal theory overlooks the impossibility of reallotment of the land to a nation. Land inheritance was given and retained solely through family estates, which have been totally lost long ago. (Joshua 24:28; Levitius 25:23-28). Herod the Great destroyed all Jewish geneologies and God further forbids them in the Gospel Dispensation. Read 1 Timothy 1:4. It takes professional help to miss that.... God is not going to save one nation by the proclamation of the Gospel and another nation through personal persuasion. This stands in arrogant opposition to the entire teaching of the New Testament regarding the New Covenant and God's Plan of Redemption for All Mankind.....

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Posted: Aug 22, 2006 6:15:46 PM
Fastpitch, [size=9]"The Premillennial /Literal theory overlooks the impossibility of reallotment of the land to a nation. Land inheritance was given and retained solely through family estates, which have been totally lost long ago. (Joshua 24:28; Levitius 25:23-28). Herod the Great destroyed all Jewish geneologies and God further forbids them in the Gospel Dispensation. Read 1 Timothy 1:4. It takes professional help to miss that...." [/size] [size=12][/size] Yes, I read that the "lion" here refers to our Lord in: Rev 5:3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. Rev 5:4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. Rev 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, [b]the Lion of the tribe of Juda[/b], the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. But, should we take the "letter" of the word regarding the PHYSICAL JEWS? In the following God disregards nationalities: Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
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Posted: Aug 22, 2006 6:48:59 PM
[u][b]Fastpitch quote[/b][/u] Brother, no doubt you meant Hosea 11:10[b]...[size=18]easy to do[/size]... [/b] No doubt, when Yahweh roars, "sons will tremble from the west." [b]unquote[/b] [u][b]A repost from one of the brethren that is so timely for this on going dialogue[/b][/u] [i][b]Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2005 8:31 pm Post subject: God's Spiritual Truth prevails !! [/b][/i] [u]This verse absolutely proved that without God's Words to search on there is none to testify to recognize Him and the thought of having eternal life. [/u] John 5:39 [b][size=18]Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.[/size] [/b] Jhn 1:1 [b][size=18]In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.[/size][/b] [b]What a sorry state when you stubbornly insists that you do not fully depend on the Bible and the brethren's revelations were not of the Truth. [/b] [b][i]Better flock with others that have feathers the same as yours. Nobody cares for now so please share this preaching to others and they might be swayed.[/i][/b] Hebrews 4:12 [b]For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.[/b]
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Posted: Aug 23, 2006 8:07:47 PM
Alamo: You keep quoting Scripture, but you cannot interpret. You write big bold letters in your reply, but have no idea what they mean. You are as the Ethiopian in Acts 8:30 when Philip asked him: "Do you understand what you are reading?" You must give the same answer: "no." You cannot discern the parables of Jesus, because you have not been trained to do so. You are as the Pharisees and scribes, you "strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel" (Ma. 23:24). You cannot explain God's plan of salvation. You have no idea what 2 Corinthians 5:21 means. You cannot exegesis John 20:22 and correlate this with John 16:7-14 and Acts 1:1-2. You cannot explain Acts 2 and correlat this with Exodus 19:17-25. Oh yes Alamo, you write in big, bold black letters, yet, remain biblically illiterate. It is true, as you say, "search the Scriptures." I am afraid that you have studied under men who are "lost." You, as the "brethren" in the church at Rome "have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge" (Romans 10:2).

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Posted: Aug 23, 2006 8:30:22 PM
Hosea 11:10 "They shall walk after the LORD: he shall roar like a lion: when he shall roar, then the children shall tremble from the west. =============================================== Mark 12:29 "And Jesus answered him, The first of all the  commandments is, [b][u]Hear,  O Israel; The LORD our God is one LORD:" [/u][/b]   Psalms 44:4"[b]Thou art my [u]King[/u], O God:.[/b]....   1 John 5:20 "And we know  that the [b][u]Son of God is come[/u][/b], [b][u]and hath given us an understanding[/u][/b], that we may know  him that is true, and we are in him that is true, [b]even in his Son Jesus Christ[/b]. [b][u]This is the true God, and  eternal life. [/u][/b] [b][/b]  [b]As written above verses King, Lord is God (Jesus Christ)[/b]   Proverbs 20:2 "[b][u]The fear of a king is as the roaring of a lion[/u][/b]: whoso provoketh him to anger sinneth against his own soul.   [b]"Roar of a Lion"  is  the fear of a King[God-Lord Jesus Christ][/b] [b]according to the preceding verse.[/b] [b][/b]  [b]When you are walking after the Lord, you will have the fear of a King[/b] [b]and if you are walking after Him that is tantamount to walking in the name of [/b] [b]God(Lord Jesus) and this is written in;[/b] [b][/b]  Micah 4:5 "For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and [u][b]we  will walk in the name of  the LORD our  God for ever and ever[/b][/u]."   [b]And what is the name of God(Lord Jesus) as written: [/b] [b][/b]   Revelation 19:13 "And he was clothed  with a vesture dipped in blood: and [b][u]his name is  called The Word of God.[/u][/b] [b][u][/u][/b]  [b]The name of God is not enough, for the word only- killeth as written[/b]   2 Corinthians 3:6 "Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; [b][u]not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.[/u][/b]   [b]And this also being mentioned by Lord Jesus on;[/b]   John 5:31 "[b][u]If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true." [/u][/b]   John 5/;32 "[b][u]There is another that beareth witness of me; and [/u][/b] [b][u]I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true."[/u][/b]   John 8:17 "It is also written in your law, [b][u]that the testimony of two[/u][/b] men [u]is true[/u].   John 8:18 [b][u]"I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me [/u][/b] [b][u]beareth witness of me.[/u][/b] [b][u][/u][/b]  [b]Therefore, there should be two witnesses for the word to be true[/b] [b][/b]  [b]Jesus Christ (Word itself-[/b]Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed  with a vesture dipped in blood: and [u]his name is  called The Word of God)[/u][b] + Holy Spirit(God the Father-Jesus Christ's Spirit-[/b] John 4:24 "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. Ephesians 4:30 "And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption[b])[/b] [b][/b]  [b]And this is the spiritual word that gives life.[/b] [b][/b]  John 6:63 "[b][u]It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: [/u][/b] [b][u]the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life[/u][/b]." [b]So when you are walking after the spiritual name of God(spiritual word),[/b] [b]you will have the fear of the Lord. And what is fear of the Lord means[/b] [b]as written:[/b]   Psalms 111:10 "[b][u]The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good [/u][/b] [b][u]understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever[/u][/b]   Proverbs 1:7 "[b][u]The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge[/u][/b]: but fools despise wisdom and instruction   Proverbs 15:33 "[b][u]The fear of the LORD is the instruction of wisdom[/u][/b]; and before honour is humility.   Proverbs 8:13 "[b][u]The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, [/u][/b] [b][u]and the evil way, and the froward mouth[/u][/b], do I hate.   [b]Additionally, the Lord speaking to you when He is roaring like a lion[/b] [b]as written;[/b] [b][/b]  Isaiah 31:4 "For [b][u]thus hath the LORD spoken unto me,[/u][/b] [b][u]Like as the lion and the young lion roaring on his prey[/u][/b],..   [b]And when He is speaking to children of God [/b][b], that means the children understand [/b] [b]His language-[/b][b]the spiritual word of God. Just like when He his speaking plainly [/b] [b]to the apostles.[/b] [b][/b]  Mark 4:11 "And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done  in parables:   [b]But the Lord Jesus counsel to those who want to understand [/b] [b]His spiritual word and to know the mystery of His kingdom:[/b]    John 3:3 "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily,  verily, I say unto thee, Except a man  be born again,  he cannot see the kingdom  of God.    John 3:5 "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say  unto thee, Except a man be born of water and  of the Spirit,  he cannot enter into the  kingdom of God.   Matthew 18:3 "And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.   [b]So,[/b]   Isaiah 66:5 "[b][u]Hear the word of the LORD, ye that tremble at his word[/u][/b]; Your brethren that hated you, that cast you out for my name's sake, said, [b][u]Let the LORD be glorified: but he shall appear to your joy, and they shall [/u][/b] [b][u]be ashamed.[/u][/b] [b][/b]  [b]Little Children;[/b]   Psalms 2:11"Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling"    Isaiah 45:6 "That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, [b][u]that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.[/u][/b] [b][u][/u][/b]  Isaiah 59:19  "[b][u]So shall they fear the name of the LORD[/u][/b] from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him.     ----- Original Message ----- From: "sandra3102" <bibletalk@purechristianity.org ([email]bibletalk@purechristianity.org[/email])> To: <bibletalk@purechristianity.org ([email]bibletalk@purechristianity.org[/email])> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 1:41 PM Subject: RE: roar like a lion [quote] Fastpitch, "The Premillennial /Literal theory overlooks the impossibility of reallotment of the land to a nation. Land inheritance was given and retained solely through family estates, which have been totally lost long ago. (Joshua 24:28; Levitius 25:23-28). Herod the Great destroyed all Jewish geneologies and God further forbids them in the Gospel Dispensation. Read 1 Timothy 1:4. It takes professional help to miss that...." Yes, I read that the "lion" here refers to our Lord in: Rev 5:3  And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. Rev 5:4  And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. Rev 5:5  And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. But, should we take the "letter" of the word regarding the PHYSICAL JEWS? In the following God disregards nationalities: Gal 3:28  There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. Gal 3:29  And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
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Posted: Aug 23, 2006 9:17:57 PM
[u][b]Fastpitch quote again on how literally confident he is[/b][/u] Brother, no doubt you meant Hosea 11:10[size=18]...[b]easy to do[/b]... [/size] No doubt, when Yahweh roars, "sons will tremble from the west." [b]but emotionally/physically unstable because of his additions and diminishes on GOD Words that HE commanded to be written >>[/b]this was evidenced by his accusing and blatant insulting words postd on this website and yet he keep on bragging to interpret like a baseball thrown at high speed. [b] [i]"Do you understand what you are reading?" You must give the same answer: "no." 1. You cannot discern the parables of Jesus, because you have not been trained to do so. 2. You are as the Pharisees and scribes, you "strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel" (Ma. 23:24). You cannot explain God's plan of salvation. You have no idea what 2 Corinthians 5:21 means. You cannot exegesis John 20:22 and correlate this with John 16:7-14 and Acts 1:1-2. You cannot explain Acts 2 and correlat this with Exodus 19:17-25. [/b][/i] [i][b]3. Oh yes Alamo, you write in big, bold black letters, yet, remain biblically illiterate. It is true, as you say, "search the Scriptures." I am afraid that you have studied under men who are "lost." You, as the "brethren" in the church at Rome "have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge" (Romans 10:2). _________________ Hermeneutics is the science of interpretation, and Exegesis is the pratical appliance of the rules or principles of this science in determining the intended message of the author.[/b][/i] [u][b]No wonder it's just a fastpitch reply that came from puffed head knowldges because of the application of[/b] [b]so un [/b][b][size=18]GOD[/size][/b][b]ly[/b] added terms of idioms, hermneuetics, exegegate, etc., etc., etc.,[/u] [b]His fastpitch baseball literal reply was so unbearable on this "roaring like a lion dialogue."[/b] [b][size=18]GOD[/size][/b], I thanked YOU so much that a Spiritual revelation came from one of the brethren and what a relief. [b][u]It is about time that you must be remined of the following:[/u][/b] The forum is not an open one because of the "Statement of Faith" that an incoming participant must first read. Just on the literal sense it would be really improper and irrational to anyone in forcing his doctrine here. Certain initial postings of maybe two or three are more than enough to imply your faith or belief. Absolutely !! the real and true brethren here would never be swayed but it is up to the others that will believe other doctrines introduced here. We do not mind. Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; Eph 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. 2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Others in the cyberworld are free for all because they did not have a written "Statement of Faith" declarations. They even have a no holds barred section on their website intended for sarcastic debates aside from the initial sharing on their home page. One example is the christians on line and who knows, some participants there may believe your own formulated baseball fastpitch doctrines. Have a nice day, take it easy and please just stay cool.
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Posted: Aug 24, 2006 2:45:52 AM
almario1...You seem to be getting upset....You rant and rave, but you do not answer any of my questions. You cannot catch up with my "fastpitch." You swing at my "fastpitch," and foul it off. The fact is, you can't hit! You still cannot discern the meaning of the "sheep," "coin," or "prodigal son"in Jesus' parables in Luke 15. You do not know what the term "generation" means in the way John the Baptist, Jesus, and Peter uses it. (Matthew 3:7;Matthew 23:23 Acts 2:40). You cannot instruct one on how they may enter into "the kingdom of heaven" (Matthew 16:19). Shame on you almario1, you talk a good game, but you swing and miss my "fastpitch." You are, as we say in the Marines, a "loose cannon." But, I refuse to give up on you. Jesus commanded, "Go teach, and make disciples, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit." I hope to make a disciple out of you almario1, I believe you are a man with a zeal for God, "knowing only of John' baptism." You are like Apollos from Alexandria, You need to be taken aside and "instructed in the way of God more perfectly" (Acts 19:24-26). You stick with me almario1, and I will teach you how to interpret Scripture, and maybe even hit my "fastpitch".....Smile, God loves you!

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Posted: Aug 24, 2006 4:26:24 AM
Fastpitch, Are you an advocate of the [i][b]universal salvation[/b][/i] thru [i][b]reincarnation doctrine ?[/b][/i] Don't run around the bush. Answer just by [u][b]yes[/b][/u] or [u][b]no[/b][/u] without any minute elaboration. It is about time that you confess on what belief really are you trying to drive at before we go on further. [u][b]quote:[/b][/u] [i]1. Doesn't work with God, Man cannot "pass the buck." I note that God put a "curse" upon the serpentkind and the ground (vs. 14, 17), but not upon the Woman nor the Man. Both were to be encluded in the [b]possibility of redemption that was to be proffered by divine grace. for all mankind, and indeed for the entire cosmos[/b] (John 1:29, 3:16; Acts 3:18-21, 4:8-12; Rom. 8:18-23; Eph. 3:8-12; Heb. 5:9).[/i] [i]2. God is not going to save one nation by the proclamation of the Gospel and another nation through personal persuasion. This stands in arrogant opposition to the entire teaching of the New Testament regarding the [b]New Covenant and God's Plan of Redemption for All Mankind.....[/b][/i] [u][b]unquote:[/b][/u] Pro 20:14 [size=18][b]It is naught, it is naught, saith the buyer: but when he is gone his way, then he boasteth.[/b][/size] Psa 10:3 [size=18][b]For the wicked boasteth of his heart's desire, and blesseth the covetous, whom the LORD abhorreth. [/b][/size] Pro 25:14 [size=18][b]Whoso boasteth himself of a false gift is like clouds and wind without rain. [/b][/size] Rev 22:18 [size=18][b]For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:[/b][/size] Rev 22:19 [size=18][b]And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.[/b][/size] Rev 20:15 [size=18][b]And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.[/b][/size] [size=12][/size][size=12][/size]
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Posted: Aug 24, 2006 8:47:16 AM
almario...you have read enough of my post's to know that I believe "the gospel is the power of God unto salvation to EVERYONE that believes." "No man comes to the Father, but through Christ Jesus." The only thing you know about Jesus comes from the pen of the apostles. You cannot explain apostolic doctrine; the doctrine the early church "continued steadfast" (Acts 2:42). You are a dream weaver who cannot hit a "fastpitch." You have yet to answer my questions. You dance and bob and do a poor job... of quoting God's word. You have do idea in how to interpret Peter's message at Pentecost. You do not understand Paul's letter to the church at Rome. You cannot discern Jesus' discussion with Nicodemus in John 3 about the kingdom. You cannot discern the verse, "Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us" (Hebrews 9:12). I can only imagine you, seeing Jesus entering once into the holy place with his own blood. Think he used a bucket almario....? Anyone can type down Scripture on a key board and hit the "send" button. Only a man who loves the Lord will study His word. Now, get on your key board, and quote Scripture in big bold letters. Keep in mind, Satan could quote Scripture: he could not exegete the text either almario......"For shame, for shame." quote by Gomer Pyle when he learned that a man did not study the Word.

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Posted: Aug 24, 2006 11:22:05 AM
I observe it is really difficult for two “distinct genus” to understand each other, “cattle and horse,” “chicken and a turkey,” etc., and for people to talk about the word of God. Illustration: Jesus Christ, the “Lamb” of God could not be understood by the Jews when He said, “Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it.” Joh 2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? Instead of benefiting from the message they used this to testify against Him: Mat 26:60 …At the last came two false witnesses, 61 And said, This fellow said, I am able to destroy the temple of God, and to build it in three days. And these people ridiculed Him: Mar 15:29 And they that passed by railed on him, wagging their heads, and saying, Ah, thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, So in this forum, I observe that for participants to understand each other, we need to pass the following “test for spirits.” I. For the true identity of Jesus Christ 1 Joh 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 1 Joh 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: [color=red][b]Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God[/b][/color]: 1 Joh 4:3 And [color=blue][b]every spirit that confesseth not [/b][/color]that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. All Christian sects preach and their members believe and “confesseth Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.” All profess to have the truth. But the truth is: Mat 22:14 For many are called, but [size=18][color=red]few are chosen[/color][/size]. II. Distinguishing the “voice of the Lamb” from the “voice of the dragon.” Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and [color=blue][b]he spake as a dragon[/b][/color]. Very revealing to the spiritual “sheep” that “many” people who have not yet passed the “tests for spirits” cannot accept the following truth: Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; [b]the flesh profiteth nothing[/b]: [color=red][b]the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit[/b][/color], and they are life. 2 Cor 3:6 Who also hath made us able [u]ministers of the new testament[/u]; [color=blue][b]not of the letter[/b][/color], [color=red][b]but of the spirit[/b]:[/color] [color=blue][b]for the letter killeth[/b][/color], [color=red][b]but the spirit giveth life[/b][/color]. 2 Cor 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, [color=red][b]but at the things which are not seen[/b][/color]: for the things which are seen are temporal; but [color=red][b]the things which are not seen are eterna[/b]l[/color]. And because of pride causing spiritual blindness, "many" people cannot discern, before having passed the tests, are “taking the role of Christ” expounding on His words that are expressed in parables. Mar 4:34 But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, [b][color=red]he expounded all things to his disciples[/[/color]b]. They cannot “hear” when the “sheep acting as speaker system” emit the “voice of the shepherd” through His words. [size=12][/size]
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Posted: Aug 24, 2006 11:22:32 AM
I observe it is really difficult for two “distinct genus” to understand each other, “cattle and horse,” “chicken and a turkey,” etc., and for people to talk about the word of God. Illustration: Jesus Christ, the “Lamb” of God could not be understood by the Jews when He said, “Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it.” Joh 2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? Instead of benefiting from the message they used this to testify against Him: Mat 26:60 …At the last came two false witnesses, 61 And said, This fellow said, I am able to destroy the temple of God, and to build it in three days. And these people ridiculed Him: Mar 15:29 And they that passed by railed on him, wagging their heads, and saying, Ah, thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, So in this forum, I observe that for participants to understand each other, we need to pass the following “test for spirits.” I. For the true identity of Jesus Christ 1 Joh 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 1 Joh 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: [color=red][b]Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God[/b][/color]: 1 Joh 4:3 And [color=blue][b]every spirit that confesseth not [/b][/color]that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. All Christian sects preach and their members believe and “confesseth Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.” All profess to have the truth. But the truth is: Mat 22:14 For many are called, but [size=18][color=red]few are chosen[/color][/size]. II. Distinguishing the “voice of the Lamb” from the “voice of the dragon.” Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and [color=blue][b]he spake as a dragon[/b][/color]. Very revealing to the spiritual “sheep” that “many” people who have not yet passed the “tests for spirits” cannot accept the following truth: Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; [b]the flesh profiteth nothing[/b]: [color=red][b]the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit[/b][/color], and they are life. 2 Cor 3:6 Who also hath made us able [u]ministers of the new testament[/u]; [color=blue][b]not of the letter[/b][/color], [color=red][b]but of the spirit[/b]:[/color] [color=blue][b]for the letter killeth[/b][/color], [color=red][b]but the spirit giveth life[/b][/color]. 2 Cor 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, [color=red][b]but at the things which are not seen[/b][/color]: for the things which are seen are temporal; but [color=red][b]the things which are not seen are eterna[/b]l[/color]. And because of pride causing spiritual blindness, "many" people cannot discern, before having passed the tests, are “taking the role of Christ” expounding on His words that are expressed in parables. Mar 4:34 But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, [b][color=red]he expounded all things to his disciples[/[/color]b]. They cannot “hear” when the “sheep acting as speaker system” emit the “voice of the shepherd” through His words. [size=12][/size]
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Posted: Aug 24, 2006 11:23:47 AM
I observe it is really difficult for two “distinct genus” to understand each other, “cattle and horse,” “chicken and a turkey,” etc., and for people to talk about the word of God. Illustration: Jesus Christ, the “Lamb” of God could not be understood by the Jews when He said, “Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it.” Joh 2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? Instead of benefiting from the message they used this to testify against Him: Mat 26:60 …At the last came two false witnesses, 61 And said, This fellow said, I am able to destroy the temple of God, and to build it in three days. And these people ridiculed Him: Mar 15:29 And they that passed by railed on him, wagging their heads, and saying, Ah, thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, So in this forum, I observe that for participants to understand each other, we need to pass the following “test for spirits.” I. For the true identity of Jesus Christ 1 Joh 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 1 Joh 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: [color=red][b]Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God[/b][/color]: 1 Joh 4:3 And [color=blue][b]every spirit that confesseth not [/b][/color]that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. All Christian sects preach and their members believe and “confesseth Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.” All profess to have the truth. But the truth is: Mat 22:14 For many are called, but [size=18][color=red]few are chosen[/color][/size]. II. Distinguishing the “voice of the Lamb” from the “voice of the dragon.” Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and [color=blue][b]he spake as a dragon[/b][/color]. Very revealing to the spiritual “sheep” that “many” people who have not yet passed the “tests for spirits” cannot accept the following truth: Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; [b]the flesh profiteth nothing[/b]: [color=red][b]the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit[/b][/color], and they are life. 2 Cor 3:6 Who also hath made us able [u]ministers of the new testament[/u]; [color=blue][b]not of the letter[/b][/color], [color=red][b]but of the spirit[/b]:[/color] [color=blue][b]for the letter killeth[/b][/color], [color=red][b]but the spirit giveth life[/b][/color]. 2 Cor 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, [color=red][b]but at the things which are not seen[/b][/color]: for the things which are seen are temporal; but [color=red][b]the things which are not seen are eterna[/b]l[/color]. And because of pride causing spiritual blindness, "many" people cannot discern, before having passed the tests, are “taking the role of Christ” expounding on His words that are expressed in parables. Mar 4:34 But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, [b][color=red]he expounded all things to his disciples[/[/color]b]. They cannot “hear” when the “sheep acting as speaker system” emit the “voice of the shepherd” through His words. [size=12][/size]
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Posted: Aug 24, 2006 11:32:31 AM
Subject: An apology
Fellow participants in this forum, Sorry! Multi-postings is not intentional. It was caused by a glitch in my computer.
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Posted: Aug 24, 2006 11:05:46 PM
Christos, Have you noted in this parable of Jesus (Matthew 22:1-14) he did not explain the meaning to his disciples? Wonder why? Who do you thing were the first to be asked to the wedding of the King's son? In verse 7, what city do you think the King "burned up?" Look at Daniel 9:26 for an answer. Who do you think those invited from the highways were in verse 10? Interesting that they came, when the first asked by the King's servants did not come. In fact, they killed his servants. Compare this with Matthew 23:33-38. Who was the one not wearing a wedding garment on the entrance of the King? Would he not be the one without a suitable character? The King will only recogonize the character of Christ at the wedding of His Son. So we can deduct from the parable of Jesus: The character of Christ is our wedding garment, and all the regenerated must wear it. Ephesians 4:24; Col. 3:10; Gal. 3:27; John 3:5; Rev 19:8-9.

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Posted: Aug 25, 2006 2:19:43 AM
Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 12:03 am Post subject: UNITY OF BELIEF (faith) AMONG CHRISTIANS? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If we may notice, some participants in this forum seem to advocate unity of belief concerning God and salvation. Who would say this is not fine since LOVE is the basic consideration? The burial of Pope Paul II demonstrated this admirable gesture of “Christians.” (Capital letters for emphasis) This is called Ecumenism where Christian denominations seek to achieve unity through cooperation and fostering of greater mutual understanding. The ecumenical process is inherently one that dispels fanaticism and that, at its best, attempts to arrive at the truth through a careful weighing of contending viewpoints. This is a typical example of human wisdom carried by emotion. Who can judge this concept but God alone through His words? Will this be for His glory? To God, good intention and sincerity is not enough: Rom 10:2 “For I bear them record that they have a ZEAL of God, BUT NOT ACCORDING TO KNOWLEDGE. 3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, HAVE NOT SUBMITTED THEMSELVES UNTO THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD.” God gave the bottom line for His Way. It is spiritual (not emotional) humility where knowledge for the truth is endowed. How many people are willing to be “converted into little children” in the eyes of God, so as to be endowed with divine knowledge and wisdom? Mat 11:25 “At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.” 2 Tim 3:15 “And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.” This is not only true in the New but in the Old Testament as well, for “Truth, as distinguished from the “letter” of the word, is the same, yesterday, and forever” Isa 28:9 KJV “Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.” God’s way is unacceptable to many people. Otherwise ecumenism should not have been thought of. Since ECUMENISM is supposed to be founded on LOVE of God, through the route of loving our FELLOWMEN, “unseen” by many people is a “reverse gear” in the eyes of God, citing: 1 John 4:20 "If a man say, I love God, and hateth his BROTHER, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?" Thus proponents of ecumenism advocate, "first love thy fellowmen for this the proof for loving God." "Unseen" by them is "fellowmen" is different from "brother or neighbour" in the eyes of God. "Brother" is a chosen of God. "Neighbour" is a person, described by our Lord in the Parable of the Good Samaritan (Luke 10:29), the victim of “thieves” (John 10:1) and ignored by the “Levite and priest” (Luke 10:31-32, Matt. 23) who was leaving Jerusalem and going to Jericho: Luk 10:30 “And Jesus answering said, a certain man went down FROM JERUSALEM TO JERICHO, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his...” The significance of “leaving Jerusalem” and “going to Jericho” is demonstrated by the “fleeing” child Jesus “from Jeruslaem (Matt. 2:1-3) to Egypt (Matt. 2:13).” “Jerusalem” is believed to be a place for Godly people but it was in Jerusalem that religious people hated Jesus Christ. “Jericho” is a place of ungodly people in the Old Testament (Heb. 11:30) and “blind, sick people” in the New Testament (Matt. 4:24). Jesus said: Mar 2:17 “When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.” “Neighbour” (Mark 12:31) and “brother” (1 John 4:20) therefore refers to a chosen of God. “Love thy neighbour as thyself” is the THIRD STEP in the “love process,” of which ECUMENISM is based misconstruing “neighbour and brother” for “fellowmen.” Under ecumenism here is the route to eternal life: FIRST STEP – Love of fellowmen SECOND STEP – Love of God THIRD STEP – Know God (presumption) JESUS CHRIST SHOWED THE CORRECT “ROUTE” TO ETERNAL LIFE, THE REVERSE OF ECUMENISM: FIRST STEP – Identify the “Lord our God is one Lord” Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: SECOND STEP – Love the One True God Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. THIRD STEP – Love of neighbour/brother Mar 12:31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. Christianity is divided into sects because Jesus Christ’s “route” to eternal is disregarded by religious people. They ignore “identifying the One True God.” Thus, the need for the TWO TESTS for spirits. First test (Identification of the True Christ): 1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. Question: Who is “Jesus Christ come in the flesh?” The Son or the Father? Second test (To expose the false Christ through his “voice”): Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns LIKE A LAMB, and HE SPAKE AS A DRAGON. [size=18][b]Very regrettably, some participants in this Discussion Forum are evading to take these tests. Necessarily therefore, two flocks need to be segregated because each has it own shepherd speaking different languages. The two flocks can never be under One Shepherd. For those who have recognized JESUS as Simon Peter did by the “revelation of the Father,” (Matt. 16:16-17) composed the first flock. Simon Peter “hears” the voice of Lamb (John 10:3,5) and speaks His “language.” [/b][/size]The verses:
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Posted: Aug 25, 2006 2:23:19 AM
Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 12:03 am Post subject: UNITY OF BELIEF (faith) AMONG CHRISTIANS? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If we may notice, some participants in this forum seem to advocate unity of belief concerning God and salvation. Who would say this is not fine since LOVE is the basic consideration? The burial of Pope Paul II demonstrated this admirable gesture of “Christians.” (Capital letters for emphasis) This is called Ecumenism where Christian denominations seek to achieve unity through cooperation and fostering of greater mutual understanding. The ecumenical process is inherently one that dispels fanaticism and that, at its best, attempts to arrive at the truth through a careful weighing of contending viewpoints. [b]This is a typical example of human wisdom carried by emotion. Who can judge this concept but God alone through His words? Will this be for His glory? To God, good intention and sincerity is not enough: [/b] Rom 10:2 “For I bear them record that they have a ZEAL of God, BUT NOT ACCORDING TO KNOWLEDGE. 3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, HAVE NOT SUBMITTED THEMSELVES UNTO THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD.” [u][b]God gave the bottom line for His Way. It is spiritual (not emotional) humility where knowledge for the truth is endowed. How many people are willing to be “converted into little children” in the eyes of God, so as to be endowed with divine knowledge and wisdom? [/b][/u] Mat 11:25 “At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.” 2 Tim 3:15 “And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.” This is not only true in the New but in the Old Testament as well, for “Truth, as distinguished from the “letter” of the word, is the same, yesterday, and forever” Isa 28:9 KJV “Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.” [size=18][b]God’s way is unacceptable to many people. Otherwise ecumenism should not have been thought of. Since ECUMENISM is supposed to be founded on LOVE of God, through the route of loving our FELLOWMEN, “unseen” by many people is a “reverse gear” in the eyes of God, citing:[/b][/size] 1 John 4:20 "If a man say, I love God, and hateth his BROTHER, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?" Thus proponents of ecumenism advocate, "first love thy fellowmen for this the proof for loving God." "Unseen" by them is "fellowmen" is different from "brother or neighbour" in the eyes of God. "Brother" is a chosen of God. "Neighbour" is a person, described by our Lord in the Parable of the Good Samaritan (Luke 10:29), the victim of “thieves” (John 10:1) and ignored by the “Levite and priest” (Luke 10:31-32, Matt. 23) who was leaving Jerusalem and going to Jericho: Luk 10:30 “And Jesus answering said, a certain man went down FROM JERUSALEM TO JERICHO, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his...” The significance of “leaving Jerusalem” and “going to Jericho” is demonstrated by the “fleeing” child Jesus “from Jeruslaem (Matt. 2:1-3) to Egypt (Matt. 2:13).” “Jerusalem” is believed to be a place for Godly people but it was in Jerusalem that religious people hated Jesus Christ. “Jericho” is a place of ungodly people in the Old Testament (Heb. 11:30) and “blind, sick people” in the New Testament (Matt. 4:24). Jesus said: Mar 2:17 “When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.” “Neighbour” (Mark 12:31) and “brother” (1 John 4:20) therefore refers to a chosen of God. “Love thy neighbour as thyself” is the THIRD STEP in the “love process,” of which ECUMENISM is based misconstruing “neighbour and brother” for “fellowmen.” [b]Under ecumenism here is the route to eternal life:[/b] FIRST STEP – Love of fellowmen SECOND STEP – Love of God THIRD STEP – Know God (presumption) [b][size=18]JESUS CHRIST SHOWED THE CORRECT “ROUTE” TO ETERNAL LIFE, THE REVERSE OF ECUMENISM:[/size][/b] FIRST STEP – Identify the “Lord our God is one Lord” Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: SECOND STEP – Love the One True God Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. THIRD STEP – Love of neighbour/brother Mar 12:31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. [u][b]Christianity is divided into sects because Jesus Christ’s “route” to eternal is disregarded by religious people. They ignore “identifying the One True God.” Thus, the need for the TWO TESTS for spirits.[/b][/u] First test (Identification of the True Christ): 1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. Question: Who is “Jesus Christ come in the flesh?” The Son or the Father? Second test (To expose the false Christ through his “voice”): Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns LIKE A LAMB, and HE SPAKE AS A DRAGON. Very regrettably, some participants in this Discussion Forum are evading to take these tests. Necessarily therefore, two flocks need to be segregated because each has it own shepherd speaking different languages. The two flocks can never be under One Shepherd. For those who have recognized JESUS as Simon Peter did by the “revelation of the Father,” (Matt. 16:16-17) composed the first flock. Simon Peter “hears” the voice of Lamb (John 10:3,5) and speaks His “language.”
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Posted: Aug 25, 2006 2:36:03 AM
Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 12:03 am Post subject: UNITY OF BELIEF (faith) AMONG CHRISTIANS? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If we may notice, some participants in this forum seem to advocate unity of belief concerning God and salvation. Who would say this is not fine since LOVE is the basic consideration? The burial of Pope Paul II demonstrated this admirable gesture of “Christians.” (Capital letters for emphasis) This is called Ecumenism where Christian denominations seek to achieve unity through cooperation and fostering of greater mutual understanding. The ecumenical process is inherently one that dispels fanaticism and that, at its best, attempts to arrive at the truth through a careful weighing of contending viewpoints. This is a typical example of human wisdom carried by emotion. Who can judge this concept but God alone through His words? Will this be for His glory? To God, good intention and sincerity is not enough: Rom 10:2 “For I bear them record that they have a ZEAL of God, BUT NOT ACCORDING TO KNOWLEDGE. 3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, HAVE NOT SUBMITTED THEMSELVES UNTO THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD.” God gave the bottom line for His Way. It is spiritual (not emotional) humility where knowledge for the truth is endowed. How many people are willing to be “converted into little children” in the eyes of God, so as to be endowed with divine knowledge and wisdom? Mat 11:25 “At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.” 2 Tim 3:15 “And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.” This is not only true in the New but in the Old Testament as well, for “Truth, as distinguished from the “letter” of the word, is the same, yesterday, and forever” Isa 28:9 KJV “Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.” God’s way is unacceptable to many people. Otherwise ecumenism should not have been thought of. Since ECUMENISM is supposed to be founded on LOVE of God, through the route of loving our FELLOWMEN, “unseen” by many people is a “reverse gear” in the eyes of God, citing: 1 John 4:20 "If a man say, I love God, and hateth his BROTHER, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?" Thus proponents of ecumenism advocate, "first love thy fellowmen for this the proof for loving God." "Unseen" by them is "fellowmen" is different from "brother or neighbour" in the eyes of God. "Brother" is a chosen of God. "Neighbour" is a person, described by our Lord in the Parable of the Good Samaritan (Luke 10:29), the victim of “thieves” (John 10:1) and ignored by the “Levite and priest” (Luke 10:31-32, Matt. 23) who was leaving Jerusalem and going to Jericho: Luk 10:30 “And Jesus answering said, a certain man went down FROM JERUSALEM TO JERICHO, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his...” The significance of “leaving Jerusalem” and “going to Jericho” is demonstrated by the “fleeing” child Jesus “from Jeruslaem (Matt. 2:1-3) to Egypt (Matt. 2:13).” “Jerusalem” is believed to be a place for Godly people but it was in Jerusalem that religious people hated Jesus Christ. “Jericho” is a place of ungodly people in the Old Testament (Heb. 11:30) and “blind, sick people” in the New Testament (Matt. 4:24). Jesus said: Mar 2:17 “When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.” “Neighbour” (Mark 12:31) and “brother” (1 John 4:20) therefore refers to a chosen of God. “Love thy neighbour as thyself” is the THIRD STEP in the “love process,” of which ECUMENISM is based misconstruing “neighbour and brother” for “fellowmen.” Under ecumenism here is the route to eternal life: FIRST STEP – Love of fellowmen SECOND STEP – Love of God THIRD STEP – Know God (presumption) JESUS CHRIST SHOWED THE CORRECT “ROUTE” TO ETERNAL LIFE, THE REVERSE OF ECUMENISM: FIRST STEP – Identify the “Lord our God is one Lord” Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: SECOND STEP – Love the One True God Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. THIRD STEP – Love of neighbour/brother Mar 12:31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. Christianity is divided into sects because Jesus Christ’s “route” to eternal is disregarded by religious people. They ignore “identifying the One True God.” Thus, the need for the TWO TESTS for spirits. First test (Identification of the True Christ): 1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. Question: Who is “Jesus Christ come in the flesh?” The Son or the Father? Second test (To expose the false Christ through his “voice”): Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns LIKE A LAMB, and HE SPAKE AS A DRAGON. [size=18][b]Very regrettably, some participants in this Discussion Forum are evading to take these tests. Necessarily therefore, two flocks need to be segregated because each has it own shepherd speaking different languages. The two flocks can never be under One Shepherd. For those who have recognized JESUS as Simon Peter did by the “revelation of the Father,” (Matt. 16:16-17) composed the first flock. Simon Peter “hears” the voice of Lamb (John 10:3,5) and speaks His “language.” [/b][/size]
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Posted: Aug 25, 2006 2:38:09 AM
Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 12:03 am Post subject: UNITY OF BELIEF (faith) AMONG CHRISTIANS? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If we may notice, some participants in this forum seem to advocate unity of belief concerning God and salvation. Who would say this is not fine since LOVE is the basic consideration? The burial of Pope Paul II demonstrated this admirable gesture of “Christians.” (Capital letters for emphasis) This is called Ecumenism where Christian denominations seek to achieve unity through cooperation and fostering of greater mutual understanding. The ecumenical process is inherently one that dispels fanaticism and that, at its best, attempts to arrive at the truth through a careful weighing of contending viewpoints. This is a typical example of human wisdom carried by emotion. Who can judge this concept but God alone through His words? Will this be for His glory? To God, good intention and sincerity is not enough: Rom 10:2 “For I bear them record that they have a ZEAL of God, BUT NOT ACCORDING TO KNOWLEDGE. 3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, HAVE NOT SUBMITTED THEMSELVES UNTO THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD.” God gave the bottom line for His Way. It is spiritual (not emotional) humility where knowledge for the truth is endowed. How many people are willing to be “converted into little children” in the eyes of God, so as to be endowed with divine knowledge and wisdom? Mat 11:25 “At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.” 2 Tim 3:15 “And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.” This is not only true in the New but in the Old Testament as well, for “Truth, as distinguished from the “letter” of the word, is the same, yesterday, and forever” Isa 28:9 KJV “Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.” God’s way is unacceptable to many people. Otherwise ecumenism should not have been thought of. Since ECUMENISM is supposed to be founded on LOVE of God, through the route of loving our FELLOWMEN, “unseen” by many people is a “reverse gear” in the eyes of God, citing: 1 John 4:20 "If a man say, I love God, and hateth his BROTHER, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?" Thus proponents of ecumenism advocate, "first love thy fellowmen for this the proof for loving God." "Unseen" by them is "fellowmen" is different from "brother or neighbour" in the eyes of God. "Brother" is a chosen of God. "Neighbour" is a person, described by our Lord in the Parable of the Good Samaritan (Luke 10:29), the victim of “thieves” (John 10:1) and ignored by the “Levite and priest” (Luke 10:31-32, Matt. 23) who was leaving Jerusalem and going to Jericho: Luk 10:30 “And Jesus answering said, a certain man went down FROM JERUSALEM TO JERICHO, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his...” The significance of “leaving Jerusalem” and “going to Jericho” is demonstrated by the “fleeing” child Jesus “from Jeruslaem (Matt. 2:1-3) to Egypt (Matt. 2:13).” “Jerusalem” is believed to be a place for Godly people but it was in Jerusalem that religious people hated Jesus Christ. “Jericho” is a place of ungodly people in the Old Testament (Heb. 11:30) and “blind, sick people” in the New Testament (Matt. 4:24). Jesus said: Mar 2:17 “When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.” “Neighbour” (Mark 12:31) and “brother” (1 John 4:20) therefore refers to a chosen of God. “Love thy neighbour as thyself” is the THIRD STEP in the “love process,” of which ECUMENISM is based misconstruing “neighbour and brother” for “fellowmen.” Under ecumenism here is the route to eternal life: FIRST STEP – Love of fellowmen SECOND STEP – Love of God THIRD STEP – Know God (presumption) JESUS CHRIST SHOWED THE CORRECT “ROUTE” TO ETERNAL LIFE, THE REVERSE OF ECUMENISM: FIRST STEP – Identify the “Lord our God is one Lord” Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: SECOND STEP – Love the One True God Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. THIRD STEP – Love of neighbour/brother Mar 12:31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. Christianity is divided into sects because Jesus Christ’s “route” to eternal is disregarded by religious people. They ignore “identifying the One True God.” Thus, the need for the TWO TESTS for spirits. First test (Identification of the True Christ): 1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. Question: Who is “Jesus Christ come in the flesh?” The Son or the Father? Second test (To expose the false Christ through his “voice”): Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns LIKE A LAMB, and HE SPAKE AS A DRAGON. [size=18][b]Very regrettably, some participants in this Discussion Forum are evading to take these tests. Necessarily therefore, two flocks need to be segregated because each has it own shepherd speaking different languages. The two flocks can never be under One Shepherd. For those who have recognized JESUS as Simon Peter did by the “revelation of the Father,” (Matt. 16:16-17) composed the first flock. Simon Peter “hears” the voice of Lamb (John 10:3,5) and speaks His “language.” [/b][/size]
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