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144,000 sealed

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Posted May 07, 2006 at 6:01:39 PM
Subject: 144,000 sealed
Brethren, Please share with us God's message on Rev. 7:4-8 Lu:21:33: Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. If indeed God's words does not pass away, how can we see this happening in our times???? Re:7:4: And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. Re:7:5: Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. Re:7:6: Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. Re:7:7: Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand. Re:7:8: Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.
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scott_baldwin29
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Posted: May 12, 2006 5:34:24 AM
In the sect I was formerly affiliated, the pastors told us that these 144,000 are the last super-preachers that would complete “the spread of the gospel in the entire world.” I know this is only their opinion, but now we depend on God for His divine revelation of His words. I hope our brethren will share what they received from the Lord.
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cristinolese
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Posted: May 20, 2006 10:37:04 AM
Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. I hope this is but a partial revelation of God on the subject. CLEARLY THE “LAMB” REFERS TO JESUS CHRIST: Joh 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, [size=18]Behold the Lamb of God[/size], which taketh away the sin of the world. Who is the image of the invisible God: Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? [size=18]he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? [/size] HOW MANY RECOGNIZE THE ONE GOD, A SPIRIT (JOHN 4:24): Mal 2:10 Have we not all one father? hath not [size=18]one God [/size]created us?... Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: [size=18]before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. [/size] However, for the Spirit God to fulfill His testament with death He had to: 1 Tim 3:16 (KJV) And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: [size=18]God was manifest in the flesh[/size], justified in the Spirit… For the Testament requires the death of the Testator: Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also [size=18]of necessity be the death of the testator[/size]. Thus the One True God, visible, who would be with the chosen in eternity: 1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his [size=18]Son Jesus Christ. This is the true G[/size]od, and eternal life. 1 Joh 3:16 (KJV) Hereby perceive we the love of [size=18]God, because he laid down his life[/size] for us... Does not, “having His Father's name written in their foreheads” refer to the clear recognition of the Spirit Father God, “manifesting Himself in the flesh” and taking the two roles as: • FATHER (The Savior or Christ to fulfill His testament with death), and • SON (The “anointed One” to show the Way, as model, by example) This is how Simon Peter recognized Jesus in: Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the [size=18]Christ[/size], the [size=18]Son[/size] of the living God. Recognizing Jesus requires divine revelation. Seeing and talking to Him is not enough. Otherwise, there would have been no need to pay Judas Iscariot 30 pcs. of silver to identify Jesus. Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: [size=18]for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.[/size] If recognizing Jesus requires divine revelation, then Abel, Abraham, Moses, and other Old Testament saints must have “recognized Jesus” as Simon Peter did, which in their case is revealed as FAITH: Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, [size=18]the evidence of things not seen[/size]. Heb 11:13 (Abel, Abraham, Moses, Old Testament saints) These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but [size=18]having seen them afar off[/size], and were persuaded of them, and embraced them… The 144,000 cannot be taken literally, but symbolically representing the chosen who have overcome: Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. To Note: Ever since, God had been marking His chosen “on the forehead,” indicating clear identification of their God. Eze 9:3 And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side; Eze 9:4 And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof. Eze 9:5 And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: 6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary…7 And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city. 10 And as for me also, mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity, but I will recompense their way upon their head. [color=red]Eze 9:11 And, behold, the man clothed with linen, which had the inkhorn by his side, reported the matter, saying, I have done as thou hast commanded me.[/color] [size=12][/size][size=12][/size][size=12][/size][size=12][/size][size=12][/size][size=12][/size][size=12][/size][size=12][/size][size=12][/size][size=12][/size][size=12][/size][size=12][/size][size=12][/size]
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porfirioanakpawis
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Posted: May 20, 2006 12:58:02 PM
GOD, we thanked YOUR Spirit hovering within thru all these past critical days for all of us here. Dear brethren, It came within and hopefully a GOD's revelation to us that these sealed 144,000 are not literal numbers. Spiritually they were the the little ones who absolutely recognized and know the one True GOD. from brothers porong, amang, tony, peter          sisters chayong, mary    [b][i]cristinolese <bibletalk@purechristianity.org>[/i][/b] wrote:[quote]Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads. I hope this is but a partial revelation of God on the subject. CLEARLY THE “LAMB” REFERS TO JESUS CHRIST: Joh 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. Who is the image of the invisible God: Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? HOW MANY RECOGNIZE THE ONE GOD, A SPIRIT (JOHN 4:24): Mal 2:10 Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us?... Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. However, for the Spirit God to fulfill His testament with death He had to: 1 Tim 3:16 (KJV) And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit… For the Testament requires the death of the Testator: Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. Thus the One True God, visible, who would be with the chosen in eternity: 1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. 1 Joh 3:16 (KJV) Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us... Does not, “having His Father's name written in their foreheads” refer to the clear recognition of the Spirit Father God, “manifesting Himself in the flesh” and taking the two roles as: • FATHER (The Savior or Christ to fulfill His testament with death), and • SON (The “anointed One” to show the Way, as model, by example) This is how Simon Peter recognized Jesus in: Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. Recognizing Jesus requires divine revelation. Seeing and talking to Him is not enough. Otherwise, there would have been no need to pay Judas Iscariot 30 pcs. of silver to identify Jesus. Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. If recognizing Jesus requires divine revelation, then Abel, Abraham, Moses, and other Old Testament saints must have “recognized Jesus” as Simon Peter did, which in their case is revealed as FAITH: Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Heb 11:13 (Abel, Abraham, Moses, Old Testament saints) These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them… The 144,000 cannot be taken literally, but symbolically representing the chosen who have overcome: Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. To Note: Ever since, God had been marking His chosen “on the forehead,” indicating clear identification of their God. Eze 9:3 And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side; Eze 9:4 And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof. Eze 9:5 And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: 6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary…7 And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city. 10 And as for me also, mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity, but I will recompense their way upon their head. Eze 9:11 And, behold, the man clothed with linen, which had the inkhorn by his side, reported the matter, saying, I have done as thou hast commanded me. [/quote] Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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art.barga
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Posted: May 20, 2006 3:56:25 PM
Symbollically it is, the 144,000 sealed if you will read:   Revelation 21:10 "And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, [b][u]the holy Jerusalem[/u][/b], descending out of heaven from God,   Revelation 21:12 "And [b]had a [u]wall[/u] great and high, and had twelve [u]gates[/u], and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, [u]which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel(144,000[/u][/b][u])[/u]   Revelation 7:4 "And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an [b][u]hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children [/u][/b] [b][u]of Israel. [/u][/b] Rev 21:2  And I John saw the holy city, [b][u]new Jerusalem[/u][/b], coming down from God out of heaven, [b][u]prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. [/u][/b] [b]Who could be this Jerusalem prepared as a bride and who is the husband? Is it not the wife the Church, Chosen of God and Little Children of God, and the Husband is no other than our Lord Jesus Christ as written? [/b] Jer. 3:14 "Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you." Isa. 54:5 " For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts." Ephesians 5:23 "For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. [b]Therefore, Church is the temple of God as written: [/b] 1 Corinthians 6:19 "What? know ye not that your body is  the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you,  which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? [b]Jerusalem composed of: [/b] Revelation 21:12 "And [b]had a [u]wall[/u] great and high, and had twelve [u]gates[/u], and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, [u]which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel(144,000[/u][/b][u])[/u] Revelation 21:14 "And [b][u]the wall[/u][/b] of the city [b][u]had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. [/u][/b] With the above verses, Church is made-up of walls and gates which are the 144,000 children of Israel at 12,000 each of its 12 tribes. These Gates and Walls  of this Church had for its 12 foundations the 12 apostles of Lord Jesus dug deep on Him(The Rock), the Chief cornerstone. Matthew 16:18 "And I say also unto thee, [b][u]That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; ....." [/u][/b] 1 Peter 2:6 "Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture,[b][u] Behold, I lay in Sion  a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded." [/u][/b] Romans 9:33 "As it is written, [b][u]Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed." [/u][/b] Ephesians 2:19 "Now therefore [b]ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but [u]fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; [/u][/b] Ephesians 2:20 "And [b]are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets[/b], [b][u]Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; [/u]Thus the confirmation of the Church is built on the foundation of the apostles & prophets with Jesus Christ as corner stone. [/b] Isaiah 26:1 "In that day shall this song be sung in the land of Judah; We have a strong city; [u][b]salvation will God appoint for walls and bulwarks. [/b][/u]Isa 60:18 "Violence shall no more be heard in thy land, wasting nor destruction within thy borders; [b][u]but thou shalt call walls Salvation[/u][/b], and [b][u]thy gates Praise." [/u][/b] 1 Peter 2:9 "[b]But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people;[/b] [b]that ye should shew forth the [u]praises [/u]of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light; [/b] Psalms 86:9 "[b][u]All nations[/u][/b] [b]whom thou hast made[/b] [b]shall come[/b] and [u][b]worship[/b][/u] before thee, O Lord; and shall glorify thy name.   1 Chronicles 16:35 "And say ye, Save us, O [b]God of our salvation, and gather us together, [/b] [b]and deliver us from the heathen[/b], [b]that we may give thanks to thy holy name, [/b] [b]and glory in thy praise.[/b] [b][/b]  Habakkuk 3:18 "Yet I will rejoice in the LORD, I will joy in the [b][u]God of my salvation[/u][/b]"   Psalms 62:1 "Truly [b][u]my soul waiteth upon God:[/u][/b] [b]from him cometh[/b] [b][u]my salvation[/u].."[/b] [b][/b]    [b][u]Salvation[/u] is for the chosen of God and [u]worship and praise[/u] they give to the merciful[/b] [b]and loving God(Jesus Christ).[/b]   ================================================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "cristinolese" <bibletalk@purechristianity.org ([email]bibletalk@purechristianity.org[/email])> To: <bibletalk@purechristianity.org ([email]bibletalk@purechristianity.org[/email])> Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2006 6:07 AM Subject: RE: 144,000 sealed [quote] Rev 14:1  And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in [/quote] their foreheads. [quote] I hope this is but a partial revelation of God on the subject. CLEARLY THE "LAMB" REFERS TO JESUS CHRIST: [/quote] [quote] Joh 1:29  The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. [/quote] [quote] Who is the image of the invisible God: Joh 14:8  Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9  Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, [/quote] and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? [quote] HOW MANY RECOGNIZE THE ONE GOD, A SPIRIT (JOHN 4:24): Mal 2:10  Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us?... Isa 43:10  Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before [/quote] me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. [quote] However, for the Spirit God to fulfill His testament with death He had to: 1 Tim 3:16  (KJV) And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit. [/quote] [quote] For the Testament requires the death of the Testator: Heb 9:16  For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. [/quote] [quote] Thus the One True God, visible, who would be with the chosen in eternity: 1 John 5:20  And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is [/quote] true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. [quote] 1 Joh 3:16  (KJV) Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us... [/quote] [quote] Does not, "having His Father's name written in their foreheads"  refer to the clear recognition of the Spirit Father God, "manifesting Himself in the [/quote] flesh" and taking the two roles as: [quote] . FATHER (The Savior or Christ to fulfill His testament with death), and . SON (The "anointed One" to show the Way, as model, by example) This is how Simon Peter recognized Jesus in: Mat 16:16  And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. [/quote] [quote] Recognizing Jesus requires divine revelation. Seeing and talking to Him is not enough. Otherwise, there would have been no need to pay Judas Iscariot [/quote] 30 pcs. of silver to identify Jesus. [quote] Mat 16:17  And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father [/quote] which is in heaven. [quote] If recognizing Jesus requires divine revelation, then Abel, Abraham, Moses, and other Old Testament saints must have "recognized Jesus" as Simon [/quote] Peter did, which in their case is revealed as FAITH: [quote] Heb 11:1  Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. [/quote] [quote] Heb 11:13 (Abel, Abraham, Moses, Old Testament saints) These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and [/quote] were persuaded of them, and embraced them. [quote] The 144,000 cannot be taken literally, but symbolically representing the chosen who have overcome: [/quote] [quote] Rev 3:5  He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess [/quote] his name before my Father, and before his angels. [quote] To Note: Ever since, God had been marking His chosen "on the forehead," indicating clear identification of their God. [/quote] [quote] Eze 9:3  And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man [/quote] clothed with linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side; [quote] Eze 9:4  And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men [/quote] that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof. [quote] Eze 9:5  And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: 6 [/quote] Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary.7 And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city. 10  And as for me also, mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity, but I will recompense their way upon their head. [quote] Eze 9:11  And, behold, the man clothed with linen, which had the inkhorn by his side, reported the matter, saying, I have done as thou hast commanded [/quote] me. [quote] [/quote]
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