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JOHN 3:16

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Posted Sep 15, 2005 at 10:27:03 PM
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May I know if this verse applied or also true in the Old Testament? Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Richard
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Posted: Sep 17, 2005 5:19:44 AM
I believe Jesus Christ is the truth, and He is the same yesterday and today. Therefore [size=18][i]John 3:16 [/i][/size]must have been applied ever since and in the Old Testament. Only I don’t know how God explained this regarding Noah and Moses and other chosen in that era, since Jesus Christ was not yet born.
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Posted: Sep 17, 2005 8:46:33 PM
Ex:3:14: And God said unto Moses, [color=red]I AM THAT I AM[/color]: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. [color=darkred]Jesus Christ (speaking)[/color] Re:1:8: I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, WHICH IS, and WHICH WAS, and which is to come, the [color=blue]ALMIGHTY.[/color][color=darkred] God (speaking)[/color] Ge:17:1: And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the [color=blue]ALMIGHTY GOD;[/color] walk before me, and be thou perfect. [color=darkred]Jesus Christ ( shepherd)[/color] M't:15:24: But he answered and said, I AM NOT SENT BUT UNTO THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL. Joh:10:11: I am the good shepherd: the GOOD SHEPHERD GIVETH HIS LIFE FOR THE SHEEP. Joh:10:15: As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I LAY DOWN MY LIFE FOR THE SHEEP. Joh:10:27: My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: [color=darkred]God(shepherd)[/color] Psalms:23:1: The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want. Psalms:95:7: For he is our God; and we are the people of his pasture, and THE SHEEP OF HIS HAND. To day if ye will hear his voice, Psalms:100:3: Know ye that the LORD he is God: it is he that hath made us, and not we ourselves; we are his people, and the SHEEP OF HIS PASTURE. Eze:34:12: As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered; SO WILL I SEEK OUT MY SHEEP, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day.
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Posted: Sep 19, 2005 9:01:30 AM
Subject: JOHN 3:16
[size=18]Is the question not related to how Abel was saved?[/size]
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Posted: Sep 19, 2005 11:29:46 AM
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Brethren;   Since we are only defending on God explanation I'm also waiting for the Lord to reveal his word on how he showed the way to his chosen in the old testament. Everybody is not allowed to give his own interpretation, to humble oneself is the one and only key.   Let us take a look at Moses life after he has been chosen. He never make any decision on where is the next place that they suppose to go. God always give instruction on where they go until they reach Canaan. Is this not a form of showing the way? Since Moses trusted the Lord that is why he walked on the right path. Is this not a form of believeth in him? In the end Moses had everlasting life.  John 3:16 FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD ( WORLD refers to people who will listen to the voice of the Lord or people who humble themselves Jeremiah 22:29), THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON (begotten son is Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ is the way therefore God gave or showed the way) THAT WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM SHOULD NOT PERISH, BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE( the real believer of Jesus Christ can be discerned thru John 8:19).   John 3:16 had been given to Moses and the rest of chosen in the old testament. In our present time, it also exists among real believers of Christ alone.  [b][i]ric32bailey <bibletalk@purechristianity.org>[/i][/b] wrote: [quote] May I know if this verse applied or also true in the Old Testament? Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Richard [/quote] Yahoo! for Good [url=http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/]Click here to donate[/url] to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.
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Posted: Sep 19, 2005 4:42:09 PM
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[b]John 3:16  For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. [/b]=============================================== [b]It is important to know first who or what is the "world" being referred to in the above verse. Let us recapitulate the revelations of the [/b] [b]brethren. [/b] Jer 22:29  O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the LORD.   Psalms 24:1 "The earth is the LORD's, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.   Matthew 13:38 "The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;" [b]As revealed to brethren in the above verses, the world is the body of the [/b] [b]true believers of God(little children).[/b]   [b]In the old testament particularly in the book of Genesis, everyone is aware of the fall of man.[/b] [b]When Adam and Eve ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. They lost the [/b] [b]spirit of God.[/b]   Genesis 2:16-17 "   16 "And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."    Genesis 4:22-24   22 "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever 23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. 24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life."   [b]The body of these little children left without the spirit of the lord. The Lord our God[/b] [b]want to restore the body in its original state  through the testament he made to Abraham [b]and his seeds.[/b] [/b]   Genesis 17:7-8 "And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.   [b]Why is the body of the little children/true believer  is  important to God.[/b] [b][/b]  1 Corinthians 6:19  "What? know ye not that your body is the  [b][u]temple of the Holy Ghost[/u][/b][b] [/b][b][u]which is in you[/u][/b], [b][u]which ye have of God[/u][/b], and ye[b] [u]are not on your own[/u][/b][u]"<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />[/u] [b]The body in the absence of the spirit of God has become evil because of its soulishness(intellect and feeling) in worshipping God.[/b] [b]Thus, God has given Himself to restore His spirit.[/b] Galatians 1:4"Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father [b]As early as in the book of Genesis, God has shown is love for His little children through His plan, [/b] [b]through the shadow of things to come.[/b]   Genesis 3:7 "And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.   Genesis 3:21 "Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.   [b]From the apron made of fig leaves, Lord our God clothed them with coats of skin.[/b] [b]Skin is somewhat a leather or fur coming from animals and when you kill the animal there is shedding of blood [/b] [b][/b]  Hebrews 9:22"And almost all things are by the law purged with blood;and without shedding of blood is no remission." Romans 3:25 "Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;   The skin came from the Lamb and Lamb is our Lord Jesus Christ.   Revelation 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders,stood a Lamb as it had been slain;having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth."   John 1:29" The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him,and saith,Behold  the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world." John 1:36"And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith,Behold the Lamb of God!   [b]Who is the inheritance?[/b] [b][/b]  Deut 21:23"[b]His body[/b] shall not remain all night upon the tree[b],[/b] but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; ( [url=mk:@MSITStore:C:Documents and Settingsart.bargaMy DocumentsART -Documentskjvkjv.chm::/B48C003.htm#V13]for he that is hanged is accursed of God[/url];) [b]that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth [/b] [b]thee for an inheritance.[/b] [b][/b]  [b]And for a testament to be of force[/b] [b][/b]  Hebrew 9:16  “For where a [b]testament[/b] is, there must also of necessity be the [b][u]death of the testator[/u][/b].”   [b]Who is the promised land?[/b]   Deuteronomy 11:9 "And that ye may prolong your days in the land, which the LORD sware unto your fathers to give unto them and to their seed, a land that floweth with milk and honey. Jeremiah 11:5 "That I may perform the oath which I have sworn unto your fathers, to give them a land flowing with milk and honey, as it is this day. Then answered I, and said, So be it, O LORD.   [b]Who is the land flowing with milk and honey?Is not the word of God? [/b] [b][/b]  1Peter 2:2"As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby   Psa 119:103 "How sweet are thy words unto my taste! yea,sweeter than honey to my mouth!"   [b]And who is the word of God?[/b] [b][/b]  Revelation 19:13 "And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.   John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.   John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.   [b]Above verses pointing to our Lord Jesus Christ[/b]   1 John 3:16  "Hereby perceive we the love of GOD, because HE LAID DOWN HIS LIFE for us." Acts 20:28 "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.   John 4:24 " [b][u]GOD IS A SPIRIT[/u][/b] and [b][u]they that worship him must worship him in[/u] [u]spirit and it truth."[/u][/b] [b][u][/u][/b]  Corinthians 3:17 "[u][b]Now the Lord is that Spirit[/b][/u]: and [b]where the Spirit of the Lord is[/b], [u][b]there is liberty[/b][/u][u][b]."[/b][/u]   John 7:39  (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)   [b]After showing and fulfilling His testament to restore His Spirit to little children of God, It is now our turn to will to follow[/b] [b]Him and heed[/b]   Matthew 18:3 "And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.   ----- Original Message ----- From: "ric32bailey" <bibletalk@purechristianity.org ([email]bibletalk@purechristianity.org[/email])> To: <bibletalk@purechristianity.org ([email]bibletalk@purechristianity.org[/email])> Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 7:20 AM Subject: JOHN 3:16 [quote] May I know if this verse applied or also true in the Old Testament? Joh 3:16  For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Richard [/quote]
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Posted: Sep 20, 2005 4:35:08 AM
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Are not these some clues to the answer to the question? The TRUTH: Abel, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Old Testament prophets, and other chosen of God were all saved. [color=red]Act 4:10 Be it known unto you ALL, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of JESUS CHRIST of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole. 11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. 12 NEITHER IS THERE SALVATION IN ANY OTHER: FOR THERE IS NONE OTHER NAME UNDER HEAVEN GIVEN AMONG MEN, WHEREBY WE MUST BE SAVED.[/color] God’s purpose in creating man is to have eternal companions and nothing do we read in the Holy Bible where there is distinction among people being saved in different periods or epochs of man’s history. Let us therefore wait for God further to reveal to the chosen, not to all, how these people from Abel in the Old Testament were saved through Jesus Christ when He was not yet born and had not yet died on the cross at that time. I am banking on the following truth that “many” read/come across but “cannot see” and therefore they reject: [color=red]• Eze 20:49 Then said I, Ah Lord GOD! they say of me, Doth he not speak parables? • Psa 78:2 I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old: • Mar 4:34 But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples.[/color] Who among people today can rightfully claim the following? •[color=red] Col 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: [/color] Who wants to be including in the following? [color=blue]• Mar 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: 12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.[/color]
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Posted: Sep 20, 2005 9:57:34 AM
Bro. Ric, If believing in the Son is the way to have everlasting life, and the Son was not yet born in the O.T. times, it is really a big question (to a new participant like you especially) as to how the people in that era been saved. In the N. T. we can read that Jesus, when asked by Philip to show them the Father, answered him saying, "Have I been so long time with you, and yet has thou not known me?" . It was not only Philip that kept on asking Him about "heavenly things" but all of His disciple's as well. And the Lord filled them,.....gradually. Until the day of the Pentecost came that they recognized Him fully and understood His sayings. What the disciple's have experienced happened to all of the lost sheeps found by the Lord. As it is happening to you now and your sincerity seeking for the Truth is there, I could say that your name is written in the book of life ( our name is said to be "written in the book of life" if we see ourselves duplicate the spiritual lives of the Bible characters. What is my point in sharing you this? Well, it is that I want you to know that if God is the same yesterday and today, He will not fail you in your wanting to be filled - provided your spiritual humility remains. You are poor in spirit (humble in the sight of God ), mourning (wanted to know the truth), meek ( not resisting being taught) and hungry (wanted to be fed)....(Mat. 5:3-6). What's next? Matthew 5:7 " Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy" Matthew 5:8 "Blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God" Matthew 5:9 "Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God." Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:11 "Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake." Our brethren are feeding you. Time will come that YOU WILL BE THE NEXT !......to feed,...and to experience being persecuted, etc. But it's worth obeying and accepting persecution? Yes ! .......
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Posted: Sep 21, 2005 3:51:52 PM
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[color=blue]Before humbling myself before God, I thought faith referred to my zealous belief on anything about God and this is a gift from Him. I read how God defined faith in:[/color] [color=darkred][size=18]Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.[/size][/color] [color=blue]Therefore, when I was asking something from God, I already believed that He has already answered my prayer even before realizing it. [/color] Now that God is revealing the great message of His words, the most important thing I received is to identify our Lord Jesus as Simon Peter did in Matt. 16:16-17. This led to the clear identification of the Father also (John 8:19). I realized how wrong I was in my understanding of the real meaning of FAITH after reading Hebrew 11. In Heb. 11, God enumerates His chosen how they were saved and it was by FAITH. It is there that I understood Abel, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, the prophets and others, received the revelation of the real meaning of FAITH. Abel, the younger brother, indicating he was a spiritul [color=red][b]babe[/b][/color] (Matt. 11:25, Isa 28:9 KJV), while Cain, the older, indicating he was [color=blue]not a spiritual babe[/color]. Abel was given the revelation of offering a LAMB. [color=blue]Cain on his own offered fruits of the ground. “Ground” symbolizes man. [/color]God accepted the offering of Abel, while rejecting the offering of Cain. [color=blue]Cain’s offering came only from human wisdom, the dictate of the intellect and feeling. [/color][color=red]Abel’s offering of a LAMB symbolized our Lord Jesus, called the “lamb of God” (John 1:29).[/color] This is FAITH that Abel had in offering a LAMB: Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the [color=red]Lamb slain from the foundation of the world[/color]. [color=blue]The Natural Man (1 Cor. 2:14) cannot comprehend how the LAMB (Jesus Christ) could be “slain” before even He was born in Bethlehem.[/color] [color=red][size=18]However, for Abel this is the “evidence unseen” which he hoped would be realized in AD 33.[/size][/color] That made his desire for salvation to fruition. Therefore, Abel was saved by Jesus Christ and this truth is confirmed: [color=red]Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.[/color] Abel in offering the blood of the “lamb,” saw Jesus in His role as [color=red]FATHER[/color] fulfilling His testament with DEATH (of the body) as required in: [color=red]Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.[/color] Other Old Testament chosen of God offering the blood of animals, all, like Abel were saved with the same divine revelation. Jeremiah when told by God to “speak” refused, saying, he is only a child: [color=red]Jer 1:6 Then said I, Ah, Lord GOD! behold, I cannot speak: for I am a child. [/color] By FAITH Jeremiah already saw the example of Jesus in His role as [color=red]SON[/color] showing the way by example in humility. [size=12][color=red]Joh 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do...”[/color][/size] We also read how Solomon professed being a child in assuming the throne after the death of David, his father. This is divine revelation for Solomon [color=red]“seeing” the humility of Jesus as SON[/color]. With these demonstrations, plus many more, [color=red][size=18]therefore John 3:16 applied to God’s chosen all the time because this is the TRUTH and “Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever.”[/size][/color] [b][/b]
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Posted: Sep 21, 2005 4:42:43 PM
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A clear revelation coming from the one true God through His little children only!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "fil3232003" <bibletalk@purechristianity.org> To: <bibletalk@purechristianity.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 11:02 AM Subject: RE: JOHN 3:16 [quote] Before humbling myself before God, I thought faith referred to my zealous belief on anything about God and this is a gift from Him. I read how God[/quote] defined faith in: [quote] Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.[/quote] [quote] Therefore, when I was asking something from God, I already believed that He has already answered my prayer even before realizing it.[/quote] [quote] Now that God is revealing the great message of His words, the most important thing I received is to identify our Lord Jesus as Simon Peter did[/quote] in Matt. 16:16-17. This led to the clear identification of the Father also (John 8:19). I realized how wrong I was in my understanding of the real meaning of FAITH after reading Hebrew 11. [quote] In Heb. 11, God enumerates His chosen how they were saved and it was by FAITH. It is there that I understood Abel, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, the[/quote] prophets and others, received the revelation of the real meaning of FAITH. [quote] Abel, the younger brother, indicating he was a spiritul babe (Matt. 11:25, Isa 28:9 KJV), while Cain, the older, indicating he was not a spiritual[/quote] babe. Abel was given the revelation of offering a LAMB. Cain on his own offered fruits of the ground. "Ground" symbolizes man. God accepted the offering of Abel, while rejecting the offering of Cain. Cain's offering came only from human wisdom, the dictate of the intellect and feeling. Abel's offering of a LAMB symbolized our Lord Jesus, called the "lamb of God" (John 1:29). [quote] This is FAITH that Abel had in offering a LAMB: Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of[/quote] the world. [quote] The Natural Man (1 Cor. 2:14) cannot comprehend how the LAMB (Jesus Christ) could be "slain" before even He was born in Bethlehem. However, for[/quote] Abel this is the "evidence unseen" which he hoped would be realized in AD 33. That made his desire for salvation to fruition. Therefore, Abel was saved by Jesus Christ and this truth is confirmed: [quote] Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.[/quote] [quote] Abel in offering the blood of the "lamb," saw Jesus in His role as FATHER fulfilling His testament with DEATH (of the body) as required in:[/quote] [quote] Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.[/quote] [quote] Other Old Testament chosen of God offering the blood of animals, all, like Abel were saved with the same divine revelation.[/quote] [quote] Jeremiah when told by God to "speak" refused, saying, he is only a child: Jer 1:6 Then said I, Ah, Lord GOD! behold, I cannot speak: for I am a child.[/quote] [quote] By FAITH Jeremiah already saw the example of Jesus in His role as SON showing the way by example in humility.[/quote] [quote] Joh 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father[/quote] do..." [quote] We also read how Solomon professed being a child in assuming the throne after the death of David, his father. This is divine revelation for Solomon[/quote] "seeing" the humility of Jesus as SON. [quote] With these demonstrations, plus many more, therefore John 3:16 applied to God's chosen all the time because this is the TRUTH and "Jesus is the same[/quote] yesterday, today and forever." [quote] [/quote]
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Posted: Sep 22, 2005 9:23:19 AM
Subject: John 3:16
I am convinced human wisdom has no place in the plan of God for salvation. John 3:16 can never be clearer than these great revelations through His words. I am reminded of God telling Solomon to build His temple. He is the architect and engineer. God's temple are His chosen people -- from Abel to the last soul who, with His foreknowledge, would take the road to humility as spiritual infants. Thank God. Sandie
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