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Posted Sep 01, 2005 at 8:19:11 PM
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[b]M't:6:33: But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.[/b] [b][/b]  [b]Brethren, can you share what God is revealing to you in this verse...what are these things.?? Physical or Spiritual???[/b]
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Posted: Sep 02, 2005 10:48:16 AM
Seek/search, believe, trust, entrust ourselves and our whole life to the Lord God as if we were trusting our parents when we were still small children who, at that age, followed all the way, without complainig, whatever we saw and heard from our parents. It is in this manner of seeking, believing and trusting that God comes to our life. If the Lord God comes to our life as God did to Moses and Paul, then we will surely have God as our Good Shepherd/Pastor who will teach and provide us the whole TRUTH and all the things that we need in this life.   [b][i]kristel flores &lt;bibletalk@purechristianity.org&gt;[/i][/b] wrote: [quote] M't:6:33: But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.   Brethren, can you share what God is revealing to you in this verse...what are these things.?? Physical or Spiritual??? Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=34442/*http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs) [/quote]
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Posted: Sep 03, 2005 4:15:48 PM
[i]But seek ye first the Kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.[/i]   Ps 97:2 [i]Clouds[/i] and [i]darkness[/i] are [i]round about Him[/i]: [b]righteousness[/b] and [b]judgement [/b]are the [b]habitation of his throne[/b]. Just as Father God has made provision for all living things according to their nature does not the Father provide much more for His children? YES.   Who are His children? Ro8:12-14 ....For as many are [b]led by the Spirit of God[/b], [b]they are[/b] the [b]sons of God[/b].   Is the soul not more than the body and yet the body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. Thus when the cup is cleaned inside, does not the outside become clean as well. Therefore, why concern ourselves with the life of the body. Ro 8:11..shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.   Truthseeker  [b][i]Adlemi Sotnas &lt;bibletalk@purechristianity.org&gt;[/i][/b] wrote: [quote] Seek/search, believe, trust, entrust ourselves and our whole life to the Lord God as if we were trusting our parents when we were still small children who, at that age, followed all the way, without complainig, whatever we saw and heard from our parents. It is in this manner of seeking, believing and trusting that God comes to our life. If the Lord God comes to our life as God did to Moses and Paul, then we will surely have God as our Good Shepherd/Pastor who will teach and provide us the whole TRUTH and all the things that we need in this life.   kristel flores wrote: [quote] M't:6:33: But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.   Brethren, can you share what God is revealing to you in this verse...what are these things.?? Physical or Spiritual??? [/quote]
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Posted: Sep 05, 2005 1:05:41 PM
Saying that God will provide all the things that we need in life after we have sought His kingdom and righteousness is wrong because God has nothing to do with our physical lives.Yes, He gives bonus in the physical(to His children ONLY) but not according to our wishes but what He wants to give us.If we really want to have all the things that we need in life, we have to work hard for it. Regarding Mattew6:33, let us remember that in - between seeking the kingdom of God and His righteousness, there are "buts" to consider before receiving or be given wisdom (all the things). In short, be it known that physical righteousness is entirely different from spiritual righteousness. The verse may be very simple, but the truth is that it is very hard to follow if we will not throw our own knowledge. The eyes of a true Christian is quick to evaluate something shared by a person. In mere seeing " God will provide all the things that we need in life", presto! you are caught! that what you've shared is out of the truth.
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Posted: Sep 06, 2005 2:16:13 PM
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[i]presto! you are caught! that what you've shared is out of the truth[/i] I hunger and thirst for truth this is why I come here. I recently joined in on the bible talk and reluctantly replying to a post with my meager offering. Your reply noted above was harsh and disheartening to me. I enjoin my self to PC not to say that I am a true believer instead, I am but a seeker not fit to sit at the table with those who have the Bread of Life and drink from cup. Would you drive me out of your presence, would you deny me the crumbs that fall from the table? I long to be invited to the table by the Lord Jesus Christ, the true God that saves souls such as mine. To be given the power to become a child of God, to divide the bread with you, yet knowing that, even now, I am not worthy. Take pity on me as some of you were like me, pray for me. Please do not do wickedness to me. Shall I not reply to the posts from now on, is this what you desire of me to keep quiet? Truthseeker [quote:f2a681363a="aidatcortez"]Saying that God will provide all the things that we need in life after we have sought His kingdom and righteousness is wrong because God has nothing to do with our physical lives.Yes, He gives bonus in the physical(to His children ONLY) but not according to our wishes but what He wants to give us.If we really want to have all the things that we need in life, we have to work hard for it. Regarding Mattew6:33, let us remember that in - between seeking the kingdom of God and His righteousness, there are "buts" to consider before receiving or be given wisdom (all the things). In short, be it known that physical righteousness is entirely different from spiritual righteousness. The verse may be very simple, but the truth is that it is very hard to follow if we will not throw our own knowledge. The eyes of a true Christian is quick to evaluate something shared by a person. In mere seeing " God will provide all the things that we need in life", presto! you are caught! that what you've shared is out of the truth.[/quote]
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Posted: Sep 06, 2005 3:39:41 PM
[b]: But seek ye first the [/b][b]kingdom[/b][b] of [/b][b]God[/b][b], and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.[/b]   The first and second line of this verse is a commandent from God&#8230;   Psalms:119:172: My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy [b][u]COMMANDMENTS ARE RIGHTEOUSNESS[/u].[/b] [b] [/b] [b]M'r:[/b][b]12:29[/b][b]: And Jesus answered him, [u]THE FIRST OF ALL THE COMMANDMENTS IS, HEAR, O [/u][/b][b][u]ISRAEL[/u][/b][b][u]; THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD:[/u][/b] [b] [/b] [b]Excerpts from pc article/Old and new testament[/b] Revelation of the One True God   Who is the one true God that we have to &#8220;[i]diligently seek[/i]&#8221; and give meaning to the following? [i]John [/i][i]8:19[/i][i] &#8220;Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: [b][u]if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also[/u][/b].&#8221; [/i] [i]  [/i] [i]Heb. 9:15 &#8216;And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. 16For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.  [/i] This is what is written and, if we humble ourselves like &#8220;babes or infants,&#8221; God will introduce Himself: [i]Matt. 11:25 &#8220;At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.&#8221; [/i] Isa.28:9 [KJV and Bishops Bible only] &#8220;Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.&#8221; 1. There is only one God: [i]1 Cor. 8:6 &#8220;But to us [b][u]there is but one God, the Father[/u][/b], of whom are all things&#8230;&#8221; [/i] 2. God made a covenant or testament of salvation, a promise of everlasting life, with Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and their seeds (many verses). Gen. 17:1 &#8220;And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, [b][u]I am the Almighty God[/u][/b]; walk before me, and be thou perfect.&#8221; Gen. 17:7 &#8220;And I will establish my [b][u]covenant[/u][/b] between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.&#8221; These are the spiritual seeds of Abraham as God is speaking in parable. Many of the physical seeds of Abraham are not even included in the following: [i]Gal. [/i][i]3:28[/i][i] &#8220;There is [u]neither Jew nor Greek[/u], there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And [u]if ye be Christ&#8217;s, then are ye Abraham&#8217;s seed, and heirs according to the promise.&#8221;[/u] [/i] 3. The covenant or testament can only be fulfilled by the death of the maker. The maker is the Father God. Heb. 9:16 &#8220;For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.&#8221; 4. The Father God cannot fulfill His testament without manifesting Himself in the flesh. Thus, 1 Tim. 3:16 [KJV and Bishops Bible only] &#8220;And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: [b][u]God was manifest in the flesh[/u][/b]&#8230;&#8221; Many verses testify to the truth that the &#8220;flesh&#8221; refers to JESUS CHRIST both in the Old and New Testament books. Among them are the following: [i]Isa. [/i][i]7:14[/i][i] &#8220;Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.&#8221; [/i] [i]  [/i] [i]Matt. [/i][i]1:23[/i][i] &#8220;Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, [b][u]God with us[/u][/b].&#8221;[/i] [i]Phil. 2:6 &#8220;Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.&#8221; [/i] Therefore, Emmanuel or &#8220;God with us in the flesh,&#8221; a true human being, is now called the SON OF GOD for two reasons: [b]1st &#8211; In this manifestation or form of MAN, God can now fulfill His testament by His death: [/b] 1 John 3:16 KJV only &#8220;Hereby perceive we the love of [b][u]God[/u][/b], because [b][u]he laid down his life[/u][/b] for us&#8230;&#8221; [b]2nd &#8211; In His manifestation or form of MAN, God can now show the Way (John 14:6), by example (1 Pet. [/b][b]2:21[/b][b]), as model to His chosen (Rom. [/b][b]8:29[/b][b]) for no man is worthy of this role (Rom. [/b][b]3:10[/b][b]-12, 23). [/b] [i]John 14:6 &#8220;Jesus saith unto him, I am the [b][u]way[/u][/b]&#8230;&#8221; [/i] [i]  [/i] [i]1 Pet. [/i][i]2:21[/i][i] &#8220;For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an [b][u]example[/u][/b], that ye should follow his steps:&#8221; [/i] [i]  [/i] [i]Rom. [/i][i]8:29[/i][i] &#8220;For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be [b][u]conformed to the image of his Son[/u][/b], that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.&#8221; [/i] [i]  [/i] [i]Rom. [/i][i]3:10[/i][i] &#8220;As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: 11There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. 12They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. 23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.&#8221; [/i] 5. In the testament of salvation, God promised Himself to be the inheritance to the beneficiaries, the priests: [i]Ezek. 44:28 &#8220;And it shall be unto them for an inheritance: [b][u]I am their inheritance[/u][/b]&#8230;&#8221; [/i] [i]  [/i] [i]Psa. 16:5 &#8220;The [b][u]LORD[/u][/b] is the portion of mine [b][u]inheritance[/u][/b] and of my&#8230;&#8221;[/i] The spiritual priests are the chosen of God: [i]1 Pet 2:5 &#8220;Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy [b][u]priesthood[/u][/b], to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.&#8221; [/i] [i]  [/i] [i]Rev. 1:6 &#8220;And hath made us kings and [b][u]priests[/u][/b] unto God&#8230;&#8221;[/i] 6. The frightening God had to take the characteristics of a dove in order to be acceptable to the beneficiaries. [i]Exo. [/i][i]20:18[/i][i] &#8220;And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off. 19And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.&#8221; [/i] Thus, at the fulfillment of the testament the beneficiaries received God, as inheritance, in His form or manifestation of Holy Spirit: John 7:39 &#8220;(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)&#8221;   [i]Acts 2:1 &#8220;And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost&#8230;&#8221; [/i] 7. God had not yet revealed His name in the Old Testament books, contrary to the dictate of the intellect. [i]Isa. 56:2 &#8220;Therefore my people [b][u]shall know my name[/u][/b]: therefore they [b][u]shall know[/u][/b] in that day that [b][u]I am he[/u][/b] that doth speak: behold, it is I.&#8221; [/i] The NAME of God is revealed to be JESUS CHRIST in: [i]Matt. 28:19 &#8220;Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the [b][u]name[/u][/b] of the [u]Father[/u], and of the [u]Son[/u], and of the [u]Holy Ghost[/u]:&#8221; [/i] [i]  [/i] [i]Acts [/i][i]2:38[/i][i] &#8220;Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the [b][u]name[/u][/b] of [b][u]Jesus Christ[/u][/b] for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.&#8221;[/i]   [b] [/b] [b]Does everyone accepts this truth???[/b] [b] [/b] [url=http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/]Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.[/url]
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Posted: Sep 06, 2005 10:58:07 PM
Truthseeker, There was a misunderstanding. My post is some kinda rebuke for Adlemi Sotnas . Was'nt it that she was the one who said the phrase, "God will provide all the things that we need in life?" Sorry if I caused you pain. I hope everythings clear now.
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Posted: Sep 07, 2005 3:02:33 AM
aidatcortez, I am comforted by your reply.  It appears there may very well have been a misunderstanding all the way around.      I welcome rebukes and exhortations. I don't bear well under beligerance or other dominant stances. These remind me of my past religious teachers and those thumping their bibles today.   humbly yours, Truthseeker [b][i]aidatcortez &lt;bibletalk@purechristianity.org&gt;[/i][/b] wrote: [quote] Truthseeker, There was a misunderstanding. My post is some kinda rebuke for Adlemi Sotnas . Was'nt it that she was the one who said the phrase, "God will provide all the things that we need in life?" Sorry if I caused you pain. I hope everythings clear now. [/quote] [url=http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/]Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.[/url]
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Posted: Sep 11, 2005 1:09:06 PM
[quote]Can anybody take the role of being God? Saying the words below is a good illustration of what people are doing with the words of the bible. I am still alive and yet you opted to explain the things I have written instead of asking me if what do I mean with what I had said in there. Did I say there that what I mean with all the things that we need in life refers to the physical only? How do you know that God has nothing to do with our physical lives? Let me ask you if you may, to where and to whom do you think that all the things that you have in your life, both in the physical and the spiritual, now comes from? Did I say that God will  [/quote][quote]Saying the words below is a good illustration of what people are doing. I am still alive and yet you opted to explain the words of the bible.[/quote] bibletalk@purechristianity.org [b]Subject:[/b] RE: Matthew 6:33 [b]From:[/b] "aidatcortez" &lt;bibletalk@purechristianity.org&gt; [b]Date:[/b] Sun, 04 Sep 2005 23:06:30 -0600 bibletalk@purechristianity.org [b]Subject:[/b] RE: Matthew 6:33 [b]From:[/b] "Michelle Moore" &lt;bibletalk@purechristianity.org&gt;  [b]Date:[/b] Tue, 06 Sep 2005 13:02:34 -0600
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Posted: Sep 11, 2005 1:54:19 PM
[quote]Can anybody take the role of being God? Saying the words below is a good illustration of what peopleare doing with the words of the bible. I am still alive and yet you opted to explain the things I have written instead ofasking me if what do I mean with what I had said in there. Did I say there that what I mean with all the things that we need in life refers to the physical only? How do you know that God has nothing to do with our physical lives? Let me ask you if you may, to where and to whom do you think that [/quote] [b][i]aidatcortez &lt;bibletalk@purechristianity.org&gt;[/i][/b] wrote: [quote] Saying that God will provide all the things that we need in life after we have sought His kingdom and righteousness is wrong because God has nothing to do with our physical lives.Yes, He gives bonus in the physical(to His children ONLY) but not according to our wishes but what He wants to give us.If we really want to have all the things that we need in life, we have to work hard for it. Regarding Mattew6:33, let us remember that in - between seeking the kingdom of God and His righteousness, there are "buts" to consider before receiving or be given wisdom (all the things). In short, be it known that physical righteousness is entirely different from spiritual righteousness. The verse may be very simple, but the truth is that it is very hard to follow if we will not throw our own knowledge. The eyes of a true Christian is quick to evaluate something shared by a person. In mere seeing " God will provide all the things that we need in life", presto! you are caught! that what you've shared is out of the truth. [/quote]
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Posted: Sep 13, 2005 8:12:19 AM
Let me first state what I believe in the word of God: • That God is speaking in parables (Ezek. 20:49). • That Jesus Christ was prophesied to also speak in parables (Psa. 78:2) • That this was confirmed in: Mar 4:34 But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples. • Therefore, Jesus Christ did not speak except in parables. • That Jesus is the sole authority to explain His words that are in parables. • That none of His apostles/disciples are authorized to explain His words, much more any man today. I believe our Lord’s exposition of His words is by DEMONSTRATION. This we all see when He told His listeners, “Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it.” The TWO CLASSES of listeners were exposed: 1. Those who thought they could understand the words of our Lord ridiculed Him, even indicting Him for their misconception of what He said in His trial (Matt. 26:61). 2. Christ’s Disciples who waited for His explanation of His words, actually a demonstration: Joh 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body. Joh 2:22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said. On the question, “Seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness...” Do not many people, like the Jews under the leadership of the Scribes and Pharisees, try to give meaning/explain what our Lord meant? For me, I would rather wait for our Lord’s command, “Seek ye first the....” by DEMONSTRATION that all reading the Holy Bible can see and cannot deny. How did Simon Peter and his brother Andrew “seek.... ?” And found....! How did John and his brother James “seek... ?” And found...! How did Saul of Tarsus, “seek... ?” And found...! It was our Lord who SOUGHT AFTER each of them! Everybody is reading this and nobody can deny. What did our Lord see in these people why He sought them? Jesus Christ does seek everybody, and this nobody can deny. Worth repeating, what did our Lord Jesus see in these people (Simon Peter, Andrew, John, James, Saul later known as Paul), that justified His search for them? Our Lord Himself gave the criterion, but NOT EVERBODY believe Him! Mat 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. This truth about “God’s search...” is also found in the Old Testament, for truth never pass away. Isa 28:9 KJV “Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.” But look! Practically all Bible versions changed the punctuation mark to question mark (?) instead of period (.) because translators, using human wisdom, cannot accept that God is capable of endowing “divine knowledge and wisdom to those weaned from the milk...” Conclusion: God condemns human wisdom on matters pertaining to Him and His words. 1 Cor 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. 20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom [u][b]knew not God[/b][/u]...” 1 Cor 3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
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Posted: Sep 13, 2005 1:29:33 PM
Adlemi, Seeking "the kingdom of God" after the Good Shepherd have found us actually meant working for our own salvation for how can we be of use to our neighbor if we ourselves do not know the Truth or the kingdom of God is not within us?. Does this mean we have to burn the lights and be on our own? Read on " between the lines" and you will know that the answer is "No." Using verses from the Bible to make you understand something is useless because you will surely be "of the same opinion still"..... then comes "unending debate" between us. When I get angry, you will again say, I am denying God on my lips when in fact you are the one guilty of that for telling and sharing lies. Actually no one amongst us wants to argue with you . I just commented on your post to protect the people longing to and seeking for the truth like Michelle. You know what? When two or three are gathered together in His name, there must be a "touching of the Lord" to the people present for Him to also be in the midst of them. So that when we do not hear, "This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased", we do not waste our time (although there always is, our "trying"). In your case, since we already have seen and have proven your stubborness, I suggests that you just better keep on reading the posts posted herein but never never comment unless you are ready and willing to vow to the truth, lest the word of God be blasphemed. Are we clear? Aida
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Posted: Sep 14, 2005 8:23:06 AM
Correction please: In the following sentence, the word “NOT” was inadvertently omitted that changed the intended meaning entirely. Sorry for the carelessness. “What did our Lord see in these people why He sought for them? Jesus Christ does NOT seek everybody...” Addendum: Our Lord seeks only those He knows would humble themselves like He did before the Father, He being the model showing the Way by example.
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Posted: Sep 14, 2005 10:34:13 AM
I thought all along that we “have to seek the kingdom of God” for that appears to be the command. However, I am quite surprised with the demonstrations that this is not the role of the people, specially the chosen, but of God. Therefore, I can see myself before when I was taking the role of God in the search and end up with the two Christian sects I joined. I thank our Lord for His search for me, and found me, when I deserve the humility He requires of His chosen. Sandie
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Posted: Sep 14, 2005 1:18:33 PM
[quote]&lt;?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /&gt;[/quote] I'm only asking you as to whom did you ever learn that you are speaking of the TRUTH while I am not on the other hand? Do you not agree that aside from the Lord God Almighty, there is nothing more in this world who can say that he or she is speaking of the TRUTH to anyone of his brother lest God is the One telling him/her personally of such things. If  to you this is arguing, to me it is only clarificatory in nature. I did share my belief (sorry if I failed to mention this in my previous post and thanks to Fil with his introduction " I believe" which reminded me to say the same today to the brethren) regarding the topic "seeking the kingdom of God" without hard hitting someone and in conformity with what I am feeling deep inside me and nothing more. It is you who did the rebuke much more so that harsh remarks about me and my sharing were found in you. As much as I know, God is in the midst of two or three persons who gather in His name WITHOUT any argumentation/debate. After all, all that we have said here are just our own beliefs based on how we understand what we read in the bible and they are not and do not come out exactly from the mouth of the Lord God going through our ears, as in the case of Moses and Paul, except for some bible verses which did come out from the mouth of the Lord but how can we know those verses if we will not come and seek directly the Lord God? Can anybody find the kingdom of God without finding the Lord God first? I believe none can do for we have to seek and find the Lord God first before we can find the kingdom of God. The big question is "HOW" can we find God as Moses and Paul did? HAS anyone among the brethren?   [b][i]purechristianity.org&gt;[/i][/b] wrote: [quote] Adlemi, Seeking "the kingdom of God" after the Good Shepherd have found us actually meant working for our own salvation for how can we be of use to our neighbor if we ourselves do not know the Truth or the kingdom of God is not within us?. Does this mean we have to burn the lights and be on our own? Read on " between the lines" and you will know that the answer is "No." Using verses from the Bible to make you understand something is useless because you will surely be "of the same opinion still"..... then comes "unending debate" between us. When I get angry, you will again say, I am denying God on my lips when in fact you are the one guilty of that for telling and sharing lies. Actually no one amongst us wants to argue with you . I just commented on your post to protect the people longing to and seeking for the truth like Michelle. You know what? When two or three are gathered together in His name, there must be a "touching of the Lord" to the people present for Him to also be in the midst of them. So that when we do not hear, "This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased", we do not waste our time (although there always is, our "trying"). In your case, since we already have seen and have proven your stubborness, I suggests that you just better keep on reading the posts posted herein but never never comment unless you are ready and willing to vow to the truth, lest the word of God be blasphemed. Are we clear? Aida [/quote] Yahoo! for Good [url=http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/]Click here to donate[/url] to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.
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Posted: Sep 14, 2005 4:40:26 PM
[color=darkblue]Adlemi, You ask: “The big question is "HOW" can we find God as Moses and Paul did?” If you will notice in my post, it is God who is SEEKING for His chosen, knowing that they would humble themselves “as Jesus Christ humbled Himself before the Father, as example showing the Way.” Let us remember the following basic consideration: FOR GOD’S CHOICE OF MOSES AND PAUL (and all His chosen): Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. DID WE NOT HEAR MOSES SAID? Exo 4:10 And Moses said unto the LORD, O my Lord, I am not eloquent, neither heretofore, nor since thou hast spoken unto thy servant: but I am slow of speech, and of a slow tongue. DID WE NOT HEAR SAUL (OF TARSUS) WHO WAS ZEALOUS SERVRING HIS GOD WHOM HE DID NOT KNOW: Act 9:5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest... FOR GOD’S BLESSINGS OF “DIVINE KNOWLEDGE AND WISDOM” BOTH IN: In the Old Testament Isa 28:9 (KJV only) Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. (Almost all Bible translations, because they think the LITERAL word, put question (?) instead of period (.) after the verse, that changed the meaning entirely.) In the New Testament: Mat 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. QUESTION: How many people profess “seeking the kingdom of heaven/Lord” instead of waiting for the Lord to “find them them because He could see the kind of humility that He demonstrated when He was still on earth?”[/color]
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Steve_Jorns1
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Posted: Sep 14, 2005 8:50:37 PM
The LORD called Moses and the Lord called Paul. [quote] From:  [i]Adlemi Sotnas &lt;bibletalk@purechristianity.org&gt;[/i] Reply-To:  [i]bibletalk@purechristianity.org[/i] To:  [i]bibletalk@purechristianity.org[/i] Subject:  [i]RE: Matthew 6:33[/i] Date:  [i]Tue, 13 Sep 2005 23:18:34 -0600[/i] [quote] &gt; &lt;?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /&gt; I'm only asking you as to whom did you ever learn that you are speaking of the TRUTH while I am not on the other hand? Do you not agree that aside from the Lord God Almighty, there is nothing more in this world who can say that he or she is speaking of the TRUTH to anyone of his brother lest God is the One telling him/her personally of such things. If  to you this is arguing, to me it is only clarificatory in nature. I did share my belief (sorry if I failed to mention this in my previous post and thanks to Fil with his introduction " I believe" which reminded me to say the same today to the brethren) regarding the topic "seeking the kingdom of God" without hard hitting someone and in conformity with what I am feeling deep inside me and nothing more. It is you who did the rebuke much more so that harsh remarks about me and my sharing were found in you. As much as I know, God is in the midst of two or three persons who gather in His name  WITHOUT any argumentation/debate. After all, all that we have said here are just our own beliefs based on how we understand what we read in the bible and they are not and do not come out exactly from the mouth of the Lord God going through our ears, as in the case of Moses and Paul, except for some bible verses which did come out from the mouth of the Lord but how can we know those verses if we will not come and seek directly the Lord God? Can anybody find the kingdom of God without finding the Lord God first? I believe none can do for we have to seek and find the Lord God first before we can find the kingdom of God. The big question is "HOW" can we find God as Moses and Paul did? HAS anyone among the brethren?   purechristianity.org&gt; wrote: &gt; &gt; Adlemi, &gt; &gt; Seeking "the kingdom of God" after the Good Shepherd have found us actually meant working for our own salvation for how can we be of use to our neighbor if we ourselves do not know the Truth or the kingdom of God is not within us?. Does this mean we have to burn the lights and be on our own? Read on " between the lines" and you will know that the answer is "No." &gt; &gt; Using verses from the Bible to make you understand something is useless because you will surely be "of the same opinion still"..... then comes "unending debate" between us. When I get angry, you will again say, I am denying God on my lips when in fact you are the one guilty of that for telling and sharing lies. &gt; &gt; Actually no one amongst us wants to argue with you . I just commented on your post to protect the people longing to and seeking for the truth like Michelle. &gt; &gt; You know what? When  two or three are gathered together in His name, there must be a "touching of the Lord" to the people present for Him to also be in the midst of them. So that when we do not hear, "This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased", we do not waste our time (although there always is, our "trying"). &gt; &gt; In your case, since we already have seen and have proven your stubborness, I suggests that you just better keep on reading the posts posted herein but never never comment unless you are ready and willing to vow to the truth, lest the word of God be blasphemed. Are we clear? &gt; &gt; Aida &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;    Yahoo! for Good    Click here to donate (http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/) to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. [/quote] [/quote]
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fil3232003
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Posted: Sep 15, 2005 6:33:48 AM
I think to better comprehend the meaning of “Seek ye first the kingdom...” is to go back to the creation of man. At creation, man was created in the “image of God” actually in the image of Jesus Christ (Col 1:15) and pictured as a LAMB (John 1:29). After the Fall, man (people) no longer could be pictured as sheep, but goats for “ALL come short of the glory of God” (Rom. 3:23). Since it is the purpose of God to have eternal companions in eternity in creating man, He had to “SEEK for His lost sheep.” These are the people who, in the omniscience of God, are willing to follow the Way shown by Jesus Christ in humility. Thus: Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. “Born again” is the miracle of conversion from “goat to “sheep” image. But this term has become so cheap today that anybody can claim it by following the man-formulated simple formula of “Accepting Jesus Christ as Lord and savior...” But the evidence of “conversion” is nowhere to be found: • God still remains a mystery... (Read: John 8:54-55, John 8:19) • Human wisdom is used in comprehending the word of God (Read: 1 Cor. 1:19-21, Col. 2:8) • Cannot speak the “spiritual language” of God resulting in the division of Christianity, each sect claiming the truth (1 Cor. 2:14). Proof: This topic of, “Seek ye first the kingdom of God....” Plus many many more...
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Posted: Sep 15, 2005 11:42:45 AM
I am full of joy to see/hear the revelation of Jesus' words!   I can recall the first few visits to PC and reading the articles. I would pour over them time and time again, frustrated because for the first time, I wasn't able to understand; the words were hard to me.  I kept stumbling over the Truth because, I was trying to apply my own understanding from what I learned from the religious teachers.  It was only after I was humbled and asked the Lord to explain his words, have I gained some knowledge &amp; understanding. When I receive these revelations, I am so delighted--truly God has hidden his words and only God can explain them!    I see now, it is Jesus that will seeks out his chosen!     The crumbs that fall from the table of the Lord, I eat and they are sweet.   Truthseeker (Michelle)   [b][i]sandra3102 &lt;bibletalk@purechristianity.org&gt;[/i][/b] wrote: [quote] I thought all along that we “have to seek the kingdom of God” for that appears to be the command. However, I am quite surprised with the demonstrations that this is not the role of the people, specially the chosen, but of God. Therefore, I can see myself before when I was taking the role of God in the search and end up with the two Christian sects I joined. I thank our Lord for His search for me, and found me, when I deserve the humility He requires of His chosen. Sandie [/quote] Yahoo! for Good [url=http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/]Click here to donate[/url] to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.
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Posted: Sep 15, 2005 11:59:50 AM
Fil and Steve,   Fil said God seek His chosen ones and Steve said God did call Moses and Paul. Very well said, but do remember guys that both Moses and Paul did personally experience talking to God and both of them were able to tell their brothers facts about God which God personally taught and told them to do so. Never did Moses and Paul used their scriptures in teaching their brothers facts about God. Will it be totally different in our case today? I hope not.   Since God is the same yesterday, today, and forever and in my conformity with both of you guys, let me ask you the following:   1,  Are both of you have been called/chosen/seek by the Lord God already?   2.  If yes, can both of you share with us a little of what the Lord God are personally teaching you as God did to Moses and Paul?   3.  If the Lord God is the only source of TRUTH both in the old and the new testament, isn't it that the same Lord God is the only source of TRUTH today and forever in a very same way(as God did in the OT and the NT) of dissemination to people? Why the bible as many are resorting to nowadays? Are you one among them?   I am asking you these not because I do have that experience with God, except in my dreams, but this is due to my strong belief and conviction that it is only the Lord God who is the Good Shepherd who will teach us the TRUTH and the whole TRUTH and, also, this is due to my sad expeeriences with the born again movements and those who only use the bible to fish in mankind into their nets.   Adlem   [b][i]fil3232003 &lt;bibletalk@purechristianity.org&gt;[/i][/b] wrote: [quote] Adlemi, You ask: “The big question is "HOW" can we find God as Moses and Paul did?” If you will notice in my post, it is God who is SEEKING for His chosen, knowing that they would humble themselves “as Jesus Christ humbled Himself before the Father, as example showing the Way.” Let us remember the following basic consideration: FOR GOD’S CHOICE OF MOSES AND PAUL (and all His chosen): Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. DID WE NOT HEAR MOSES SAID? Exo 4:10 And Moses said unto the LORD, O my Lord, I am not eloquent, neither heretofore, nor since thou hast spoken unto thy servant: but I am slow of speech, and of a slow tongue. DID WE NOT HEAR SAUL (OF TARSUS) WHO WAS ZEALOUS SERVRING HIS GOD WHOM HE DID NOT KNOW: Act 9:5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest... FOR GOD’S BLESSINGS OF “DIVINE KNOWLEDGE AND WISDOM” BOTH IN: In the Old Testament Isa 28:9 (KJV only) Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. (Almost all Bible translations, because they think the LITERAL word, put question (?) instead of period (.) after the verse, that changed the meaning entirely.) In the New Testament: Mat 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. QUESTION: How many people profess “seeking the kingdom of heaven/Lord” instead of waiting for the Lord to “find them them because He could see the kind of humility that He demonstrated when He was still on earth?” [/quote] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Posted: Sep 15, 2005 2:25:44 PM
Testimonies coming from the lost sheep found by the Lord!! ========================================= To other truthseekers, can you not learn from these two brethren, where at the beginning of their search they try to seek the Lord in their own terms. In their own terms, they did not find the key to the kingdom of God, but when they heeded Matthew 18:3 "And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. The door of the Kingdom of God opened and they found peace and joy. After all, this is what it is written Rom. 14:17 "For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost." Galatians 5:22 "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. No matter, no amount of time and space can open the kingdom of God to anyone unless you will seek the Lord in His terms. ---- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Moore" &lt;bibletalk@purechristianity.org&gt; To: &lt;bibletalk@purechristianity.org&gt; Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 7:20 AM Subject: RE: Matthew 6:33 [quote] I am full of joy to see/hear the revelation of Jesus' words! I can recall the first few visits to PC and reading the articles. I would pour over them[/quote] time and time again, frustrated because for the first time, I wasn't able to understand; the words were hard to me. I kept stumbling over the Truth because, I was trying to apply my own understanding from what I learned from the religious teachers. It was only after I was humbled and asked the Lord to explain his words, have I gained some knowledge &amp; understanding. When I receive these revelations, I am so delighted--truly God has hidden his words and only God can explain them! [quote] I see now, it is Jesus that will seeks out his chosen! The crumbs that fall from the table of the Lord, I eat and they are sweet.[/quote] [quote] Truthseeker (Michelle) sandra3102 &lt;bibletalk@purechristianity.org&gt; wrote: &gt; &gt; I thought all along that we "have to seek the kingdom of God" for that appears to be the command. However, I am quite surprised with the[/quote] demonstrations that this is not the role of the people, specially the chosen, but of God. Therefore, I can see myself before when I was taking the role of God in the search and end up with the two Christian sects I joined. [quote] &gt; &gt; I thank our Lord for His search for me, and found me, when I deserve the humility He requires of His chosen.[/quote] [quote] &gt; &gt; Sandie &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate (http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/) to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.[/quote] [quote] [/quote]
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