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Posted Nov 22, 2005 at 9:39:11 PM
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[b]Exodus 25:18 “[u]And thou shalt make two cherubim of gold[/u], [u]of beaten work[/u] [/b] [b]shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat.[/b] [b]===============================================================[/b] [b]Jeremiah 23:29 "Is not [u]my word like as a fire[/u]? saith the LORD; and [u]like a hammer [/u][/b][u][b]that breaketh the rock in pieces?"[/b][/u] [b][/b]  [b]B[/b][b]eaten/Hammered works are the spiritual words of God having the two witnesses[/b] [b]( word + spiritual revelation). [/b]   [b]Although cherubims are images, they represent the two witnesses of God  [/b]   1Kings 6:23 [b][u]"[/u][/b][b][u]And within the oracle he made two cherubim of olive tree[/u][/b], each ten cubits high   Revelation 11:3 " And I will give power unto [b][u]my two witnesses[/u][/b], and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. 4 [b][u]These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks[/u][/b] standing before the God of the earth."   Exodus 25:22 "And there I will meet with thee, and [u][b]I will commune with thee from [/b][/u] [u][b]above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubim which are upon the ark of [/b][/u] [u][b]the testimony, of all things which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel."[/b][/u]   [b]These images are the spiritual words of God (word + holy spirit) used in communicating [/b] [b]with His chosen people to give them an everlasting life.[/b] [b][/b]    Exodus 20:4 “[u][b]Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image[/b][/u], or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth"   [b]What is a graven image according to the word of God?[/b] [b][/b]  Isaiah 44:17 "And [u][b]the residue thereof he maketh a god[/b],[/u]  [b][u]even his graven image[/u][/b]:  he falleth down unto it, and worshippeth it, and prayeth unto it, and saith, deliver me; for thou art my god."   Deut 27:15 “[b]Cursed be the man that maketh [u]any graven or molten image[/u][/b], [b]an abomination unto the LORD[/b], [b][u]the work of the hands of the craftsman,[/u][/b] and putteth it in a secret place. And all the people shall answer and say, Amen." [b][/b]  Ecclesiastes 2:11 "Then I looked on all the [b][u]works that my hands had wrought[/u][/b], and on the labour that I had laboured to do:and, behold, all was vanity and [u][b]vexation of spirit, and there was no profit under the sun."[/b][/u]   [b]Aside from the graven image, God forbids also from His people [/b] [b]to make molten image. What are these molten images according [/b] [b]to the word of God? [/b] [b][/b]   Isa 41:29 " Behold , they are all vanity; their works are nothing: [u][b]their molten images are wind and confusion."[/b][/u]      [b]But what is confusion as written?[/b]   James 3:16 “For where [u][b]envying and strife[/b][/u] is, there is [u][b]confusion [/b][/u] [u][/u]and every evil work. [b][/b]  [b]How about the wind, what is written pertaining to it?[/b] [b][/b]  Ephesians 4:14[b] “[/b]That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every [b][u]wind of doctrine,[/u][/b] [b]by the sleight of men, [/b] [b]and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive,[/b] [b][/b]  [b]Therefore, God considers these images an abomination because these are idols/gods[/b] [b]and teachings that lead to spiritual death.[/b]  [b][/b]  Collosians 3:5 "Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; [b][u]fornication, [/u][/b] [b][u]uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness,[/u][/b] [b][u]which is idolatry:[/u][/b] [b][/b]  [b]Also, These images represent the literal/physical word of God that does not have[/b][b] a light.[/b] [b][/b]  2 Corinthians 3:6  Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; [b][u]NOT OF THE LETTER[/u][/b], but of the spirit: [u][b]FOR THE LETTER KILLETH[/b][/u], but the spirit giveth life. [b][/b] [b][/b]  [b]There won't be contradictions when it comes to the word of God as long as we depend only and wait for the [/b] [b]spiritual revelations coming from the one true God[/b][b][/b] [b][/b]  [b]  [/b] [b]----- Original Message ----- [/b] [b]From: "Steve Jorns" <[/b][b]Steve_Jorns1@hotmail.com[/b] ([email]Steve_Jorns1@hotmail.com[/email])[b]>[/b] [b]To: "PureChristianity.Org Discussion Group" <[/b][b]bibletalk@listmgr.purechristianity.org[/b] ([email]bibletalk@listmgr.purechristianity.org[/email])[b]>[/b] [b]Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 5:24 PM[/b] [b]Subject: Images[/b] [b]> [quote] Exodus 20:4 "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:" In Exodus 25 the LORD speaks to Moses about wanting an offering of various items from the people that they may build a sanctuary for the LORD(Ex. 25:1-8). Verse 18 "And thou shalt make two cherubim of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them, in the two ends of the mercy seat." continues through verse 22. Doesn't this violate what God said in Exodus 20? --- You are currently subscribed to BibleTalk at PureChristianity.Org as: [/b][b]art.barga@acec-sa.com[/b] ([email]art.barga@acec-sa.com[/email])[b].  To unsubscribe, send a blank email to [/b][b]leave-bibletalk-81E@listmgr.purechristianity.org[/b] ([email]leave-bibletalk-81E@listmgr.purechristianity.org[/email])[b]. [/b] [/quote]
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Posted: Nov 23, 2005 10:55:18 AM
[color=darkblue]I am reminded of an instance when the Israelites were in the wilderness. Some of them complained because they lost appetite eating “manna,” which they called “light bread.” God sent fiery serpents and “bit the people to death.” Num 21:5 And the people spake against God, and against Moses, Wherefore have ye brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? for there is no bread, neither is there any water; and our soul loatheth this light bread. Num 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died. Num 21:7 Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, We have sinned, for we have spoken against the LORD, and against thee; pray unto the LORD, that he take away the serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people. For people who have been bitten by serpents, God provided this remedy: Num 21:8 And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live. Num 21:9 And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived. [size=18]I believe God has great spiritual revelations to this incident[/size], and not just the literal or “letter” of the word. This serpent of brass even became justification for statues and images of certain Christians sects in their churches and houses today. But when the people began to “look up” at the serpent of brass that gave “life” to those who sinned againts God, God Himself told the people to destroy it. 2 Kings 18:4 He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan. Why can’t many people see the “letter” and the “spirit” of the word? 2 Cor 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; [size=18]not of the letter[/size], but of the spirit: [size=18]for the letter killeth[/size], but the spirit giveth life.[/color]
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Posted: Nov 24, 2005 1:06:01 PM
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why can't we, people in general, see that the Lord God is in total control and full command of everything and all things;  that for all the things unknown to men it is known and available to the Lord God should we just all bow down ourselves before the Lord God and learn to call to the Lord God in the right way. the Lord God is alive and is always available for all to teach the TRUTH  about all things. we do not have to ask each other should we learn how to trust the Lord God. nothing is impossible to God and God is for real.
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Posted: Dec 01, 2005 6:46:58 PM
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Num 21:5  And the people spake against God, and against Moses, Wherefore have ye brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness?  for there is no bread, neither is there any water; and our soul loatheth this light bread. =============================================== [b]Even after having been taken out from spiritual Egypt (slavery) and God was introduced to you.[/b] [b]Everyone is still considered as babe [/b][b]concerning the truth and there is always the tendency[/b] [b]to fall back to your former wordly life in worshipping God as it is written. [/b] [b][/b]  Galtians 4:9 "But now, [b][u]after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God,[/u][/b] how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, [b][u]whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?"[/u][/b] [b][u][/u][/b]  Galatians 4:1 "Now I say, [b][u]That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, [/u][/b] [b][u]though he be lord of all;"[/u][/b] [u][/u]  Galatians 4:2 "But is [b][u]under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father."[/u][/b] [b][u][/u][/b]  Galatians 4:3 "Even so we, [b][u]when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:"[/u][/b] [b][/b]  [b]Then taken into the wilderness, the way leading to the promised land (spiritual Jesus Christ - word+ spirit).[/b] [b]While in the wilderness you will be fed with the "manna- the light bread" to be tested and proved so you may [/b] [b]humble yourself to the word (Jesus) and see and recognize the one true God. To those who dislikened the manna-[/b] [b]the pure word of God and still craving for the literal/physical bread and water that represent the literal/physical [/b] [b]word of God.[/b]  [b][u][/u][/b]  Deuteronomy 8:16 "Who [b][u]fed thee in the wilderness[/u][/b] with manna, which thy fathers knew not, that he might humble thee, and that [b][u]he might prove thee[/u][/b], to do thee good at thy latter end;" =============================================== Num 21:6  And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died. =============================================== [b]Since they still crave for the literal/physical word of God, they are easily being tarried by the fiery serpents which are the false[/b] [b]teachers, preachers-representing the false Jesus Christ (Devil/Satan), carrying the poison {(literal/physical [/b][b]Jesus Christ- [/b] [b]the Word- the first witness to the truth), but without [/b][b]the Holy Spirit- the second witness to the truth. [/b] [b]And the "called one" will [/b][b]die the spiritual death, but not the "chosen one as it is written.[/b]  [b][/b]  Jeremiah 46:22 "[b][u]The voice thereof shall go like a serpent[/u][/b]; for they shall march with an army, and come against her with axes, as hewers of wood."   Psalms 140:3 "They have sharpened their tongues like a serpent; [url=mk:@MSITStore:C:Documents and Settingsart.bargaMy DocumentsART -Documentskjvkjv.chm::/B45C003.htm#V13][b]adders' poison is under their lips[/b].[/url] Selah." "   Romans 3:13 "[url=mk:@MSITStore:C:Documents and Settingsart.bargaMy DocumentsART -Documentskjvkjv.chm::/B19C005.htm#V9][b]Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit[/b];[/url] the [url=mk:@MSITStore:C:Documents and Settingsart.bargaMy DocumentsART -Documentskjvkjv.chm::/B19C140.htm#V3][b]poison of asps is under their[/b] [b]l[/b][b]ips:[/b][/url] "   2  Corinthians 3:6 "Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament;  [b][u]NOT OF THE LETTER[/u][/b], but of the  spirit:  [b][u]FOR THE LETTER KILLETH[/u][/b], but the spirit giveth  life."   Mark 16:18 "[b]They [u]shall take up serpents[/u]; and [u]if they drink any deadly thing[/u], it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, [/b] [b]and they shall recover[/b]." =============================================== Num 21:7  Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, We have sinned, for we have spoken against the LORD, and against thee; pray unto the LORD, that he take away the serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people.   Num 21:8  And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.    Num 21:9  And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.   ===============================================  [b]And to those who humbled themselves to the one true God by hating theirselves and converted, they will enter the kingdom of God.[/b] Matthew 18:3 “And said, Verily I say unto you, [b][u]Except ye be converted[/u], and [u]become as little children[/u], [/b][b][u]ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven[/u]."[/b] Matthew 18:4 “Whosoever therefore [b][u]shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven."[/u][/b] Luke 18:16 “But Jesus called them unto him, and said, [b]Suffer [u]little children[/u] to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is [u]the kingdom of God."[/u][/b] [b][/b]  [b]The fiery serpent which is the old self, natural man, wickedness, wordliness  was set/nailed/hung upon a pole/cross with Jesus Christ.[/b] [b]He being God made himself a curse to redeem us from curse of literal/physical word of God.[/b]     John 3:14 "And as [b][u]Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:"[/u][/b] [b][u][/u][/b]  John 3:15 "That [b][u]whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life."[/u][/b] [b][/b]  Colossians 2:14 "[b][u]Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us[/u][/b], and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;"   Galatians 3:13 "[b][u]Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us:[/u][/b] for it is written,[b][u] [/u][/b] [url=mk:@MSITStore:C:Documents and Settingsart.bargaMy DocumentsART -Documentskjvkjv.chm::/B05C021.htm#V23][b]Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:[/b][/url][b][u] [/u][/b]"   Romans 5:10 "For if, [b][u]when we were  enemies, we were  reconciled to God by the death of  his Son[/u][/b], much more, " being reconciled, we shall be saved by his  life."   Galatians  6:14 "But God forbid that I should glory, [b][u]save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world is crucified unto me, and I unto the world."[/u][/b] =============================================== 2 Kings 18:4  He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan. =============================================== Revelation  9:20 "And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, [b][u]that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk[/u][/b]:   2 Kings 17:10 "[b][u]And they set them up images and groves in every high hill[/u][/b], and under every green tree: 2 Kings 17:11 "[b][u]And there they burnt incense in all the high places,[/u][/b] as did the heathen whom the LORD carried away before them; and wrought wicked things to provoke the LORD to anger:   [b][u][/u][/b]  [b]Here the brasen serpent was made an idol by revering and looking up unto it which is abomination to our God and as it is written [/b]   Colossians 3:5 "[b][u]Mortify therefore your members  which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness,  inordinate affection, [/u][/b] [b][u]evil concupiscence, and covetousness,  which is idolatry: [/u][/b] ----- Original Message ----- From: "sandra3102" <bibletalk@purechristianity.org ([email]bibletalk@purechristianity.org[/email])> To: <bibletalk@purechristianity.org ([email]bibletalk@purechristianity.org[/email])> Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 6:04 AM Subject: RE: images [quote] I am reminded of an instance when the Israelites were in the wilderness. Some of them complained because they lost appetite eating "manna," which they called "light bread." God sent fiery serpents and "bit the people to death." Num 21:5  And the people spake against God, and against Moses, Wherefore have ye brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? for there is no bread, neither is there any water; and our soul loatheth this light bread. Num 21:6  And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died. Num 21:7  Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, We have sinned, for we have spoken against the LORD, and against thee; pray unto the LORD, that he take away the serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people. For people who have been bitten by serpents, God provided this remedy: Num 21:8  And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live. Num 21:9  And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived. I believe God has great spiritual revelations to this incident, and not just the literal or "letter" of the word. This serpent of brass even became justification for statues and images of certain Christians sects in their churches and houses today. But when the people began to "look up" at the serpent of brass that gave "life" to those who sinned againts God, God Himself told the people to destroy it. 2 Kings 18:4  He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan. Why can't many people see the "letter" and the "spirit" of the word? 2 Cor 3:6  Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. [/quote]
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