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KINGDOM DIVIDED AGAINST ITSELF

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Posted Nov 14, 2005 at 5:10:06 AM
Subject: KINGDOM DIVIDED AGAINST ITSELF
I have not heard preachers expound on this when I was still with my previous sect affiliations. I suppose our Lord has a great message for this. Mat 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. 25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: 26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?:27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges. 28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. What is our Lord’s revelation on this?
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Posted: Nov 16, 2005 11:13:43 AM
[size=18]Am I correct to think that our Lord Jesus is referring to two kinds of casting out evil spirits?[/size] [quote:7133873ab2="ric32bailey"]I have not heard preachers expound on this when I was still with my previous sect affiliations. I suppose our Lord has a great message for this. Mat 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. 25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: 26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?:27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges. 28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. What is our Lord’s revelation on this?[/quote]
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Posted: Nov 16, 2005 1:32:15 PM
Matthew 12:24  But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. Matthew 12:25  And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: Matthew 12:26  And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? Matthew 12::27  And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges. Matthew 12:28  But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. ============================================== [b]Yes, Sister Sandie and I hope hereunder is the right revelation coming from the one true God. [/b] [b][/b]  [b]"Devil" as it is written,[/b]   John 8:44 " [b]Ye are of your [u]father [/u]the devil[/b], and [b]the [u]lusts of your father ye will do[/u].[/b] He was a murderer from the beginning, and [u][b]abode not in the truth[/b][/u], [b][u]because there is no truth in him[/u][/b]. [b]When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it[/b] [b]There is no truth in him, it is all lies - therefore it also follows that his children are also liars.[/b] [b]The literal and physical word of God. will be their basis in judging truth. This is the way [/b] [b]they follow their father(Satan).The more of usage of this language, the more they will be divided [/b] [b]because of their soulishness (intellect,feelings and senses) in the interpretation of the literal and physical [/b] [b]word of God. Hence, we see the divisiveness today of the so called Christians. Is it not written[/b] [b][/b]    Luke 12:51 "[b]Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay[/b]; [b][u]but rather division[/u][/b] [b][u][/u][/b]  [b]because Physical Jesus is the word of God  as it is written in[/b]   John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."   Revelation 19:13 "And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his [u][b]name[/b][/u][b] [/b]is called The [u][b]Word of God[/b][/u][b].[/b]"   [b]How come they may ask? But the Lord Himself said as it is written[/b]   John 5:31  "[b][u]If I bear witness of myself[/u][/b], [b][u]my witness is not true.[/u][/b] [b][u]"[/u][/b] John 5:32  [b]There is another that beareth witness of me[/b]; [u][b]and [/b][/u] [u][b]I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true."[/b][/u]   [b]On the above verses, Are not the "letter" of the word and the "Holy Spirit"representing the [/b] [b]TWO WITNESSES [b]to the truth, where physical [/b][/b][b] Jesus as the Word of God represents the [/b] [b]"letter" and the Father, the Holy Spirit.[/b] [b][/b]  [b]It has been known from preceding verses that anything and everything out of truth is of the "devil"[/b] [b]On the other hand, if the spiritual language of God which has the two witnesses to the truth[/b] [b]will be used as judge, the devil cast out. The old in us whom is the old self/natural man who [/b] [b]follows the way of the devil will be eliminated. We will know the truth([/b][b]Jesus Christ is the TRUTH-[/b] John 14:6[b] "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the [u]truth,[/u] and the life:......,") and [/b] [b]the TRUTH in the word is the "testimony of the two witnesses.[/b] [b][/b]  John 8:32 "And [u][b]ye shall know the truth[/b],[/u] and [b][u]the truth[/u] shall make you free[/b]." Corinthians 3:17 "[u][b]Now the Lord is that Spirit[/b][/u]: and [b]where the Spirit of the Lord is[/b], [u][b]there is liberty[/b][/u][u][b]."[/b][/u] [b][/b]  [b]Upon knowing the truth, we also recognized the one true God thus,[/b]   1 Corinthians 2:16[b]"For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him?[/b] [b][b]But we have the mind of Christ") [/b][/b] [b][/b]   1 Corinthians 2:13  "Which things also we speak, NOT IN THE WORDS WHICH MAN'S WISDOM TEACHETH, but which the HOLY GHOST TEACHETH; COMPARING SPIRITUAL THINGS WITH SPIRITUAL." [b][/b]  [b]We will start and begin to understand the spiritual language of God and we will know that the kingdom of [/b] [b]God is us. [/b][b]And we will know and understand,[/b]   Matthew 18:3 "And said, Verily I say unto you, [b][u]Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven." [/u][/b] John 3:3 "Jesus answered…[b]Verily, verily, I say unto thee,[u] Except a man be born again[/u], he cannot see the kingdom of God"[/b] Matthew 18:4 “Whosoever therefore [b][u]shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven."[/u][/b] Luke 18:16 “But Jesus called them unto him, and said, [b]Suffer [u]little children[/u] to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is [u]the kingdom of God."[/u][/b] [b]And as little children of God, it is written[/b] Mark16:17 "............ [b][u]them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; [/u][/b] [b]That is by[/b] [b]  [/b] [b]Matthew 17:21 "Howbeit this kind goeth not out[u] but by prayer and fasting."[/u][/b] [b][u][/u][/b]  [b]What is prayer/praying?Is it not communicating with the word-the truth or worshipping in truth?[/b] [b][/b]  John 4:23 "But the hour cometh, and now is, when the [b]true worshippers shall worship the Father in [u]spirit and in truth[/u]: for the[u] Father seeketh such to worship him."[/u][/b] [b][u][/u][/b]  [b]That will make this commandment possible,[/b] 1 Thessalonians 5:17 [b]"Pray without ceasing."[/b] [b]And what about fasting?Is it not written that fasting in;[/b] Isaiah 58:5 "[b]Is it such a fast that I have chosen?[/b] [b][u]a day for a man to afflict his soul? is it to bow down his head as a bulrush, and to spread sackcloth and ashes under him?[/u][/b] [b]wilt thou call this a fast, and an acceptable day to the LORD?[/b]" Isaiah 58:6 "[b]Is not this the fast that I have chosen?[/b] [b][u]to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke?"[/u][/b] ----- Original Message ----- From: "ric32bailey" <bibletalk@purechristianity.org ([email]bibletalk@purechristianity.org[/email])> To: <bibletalk@purechristianity.org ([email]bibletalk@purechristianity.org[/email])> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 12:16 AM Subject: KINGDOM DIVIDED AGAINST ITSELF [quote] I have not heard preachers expound on this when I was still with my previous sect affiliations. I suppose our Lord has a great message for this. [/quote] [quote] Mat 12:24  But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. 25  And [/quote] Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: 26  And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?:27  And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges. 28  But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. [quote] What is our Lord's revelation on this? [/quote]
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Posted: Nov 16, 2005 4:36:14 PM
The phariseed didn't comprehend that it was the Lord God Almighty himself that dwelt in the bodily flesh born of Mary, whose name of that bodily flesh known to them then was Jesus who they saw was casting out devils. Thinking that the said bodily flesh was just an ordinary man of their stature, they concluded that he was casting out devils thru Beelzebub but in reality, it was the Lord God Almighty Himself who lived in the bodily flesh born of Mary that was casting out devils, not any one nor Beelzebub. The Pharisees did not know then that the Lord God Almighty Himself was living with them personally for more or less 33 years through the bodily flesh born of Mary.   What  is being emphasized by the bible here is that casting out of devils is a task solely intended to the Lord God Almighty to perform and not to any one of His created beings, be it an angel or man like us. We should be able to determine what really belongs to God and what really belongs to us and for this to be a reality in our life, we have to call to directly to the Lord God and ask Him to be our only Good Pastor.  
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Posted: Nov 16, 2005 8:43:26 PM
M't:12:24: But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. M't:12:25: And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: M't:12:26: And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? M't:12:27: And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges. [color=red][b]M't:12:28: But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.[/b][/color] I can see that Mat 12:28 is the key to this parable....Only those who humble themselves like little children will see that Jesus Christ ([color=green][b]truth[/b][/color]) is the one who cast out devils... Thus in the following verses: [color=red]M't:18:4: Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. M't:11:25: At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. M't:18:3: And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. M'r:10:14: But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.[/color] [b]Kingdom divided , City or House divided is very clear in the following verses:[/b] [color=red]M't:23:37: O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! M't:23:38: Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. Lu:13:35: Behold, your house is left unto you desolate: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. 1Co:1:10: Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 1Co:1:11: For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. 1Co:1:12: Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. 1Co:1:13: Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?[/color] [b][color=blue]How can the household of God Stand?[/color][/b] Eph:6:11: Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. Eph:6:14: Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
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Posted: Nov 18, 2005 9:38:01 PM
[size=9]Mat 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. 25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: 26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?:27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges. 28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. [/size] [color=darkblue]Bro. Richard, You cannot expect your preachers to expound on this because, like the Pharisees, while professing to know Jesus Christ, they are subject to His rebuke in the following: Joh 8:19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: [b]IF YE HAD KNOWN ME, YE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN MY FATHER ALSO.[/b] The Pharisees did not know their God according to our Lord: Joh 8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: Joh 8:55 YET YE HAVE NOT KNOWN HIM... Therefore what difference has your preachers with the Pharisees, both not knowing the God they claim to worship. Therefore, both cannot follow the first commandment of: Mar 12:30 “And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.” The Pharisees are the [b]first character [/b]in this incident who were trying to find fault with our Lord. Jesus Christ was seen casting out devils, and the Pharisees said: Mat 12:24 But when the PHARISEES heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils. Mat 12:25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: Mat 12:26 AND IF SATAN CAST OUT SATAN, HE IS DIVIDED AGAINST HIMSELF; HOW SHALL THEN HIS KINGDOM STAND? Mat 12:27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges. These are the [b]second character [/b]in this incident: Mat 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, THEN THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS COME UNTO YOU. Let us consider another incident and these two characters, the [b]PHARISEES[/b] and [b]THOSE WHO SAW the MIRACLE [/b]of our Lord are clearly distinguished: Joh 10:19 There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings. The [b]first character [/b]who hated our Lord: Joh 10:20 And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him? The [b]second character [/b]who recognized the miracle of our Lord: Joh 10:21 Others said, These are not the words of him that hath a devil. Can a devil open the eyes of the blind? Today, we can see the relevance of these incidents and the identities of the TWO CHARACTERS: Many people cannot distinguish MIRACLE from WONDER in “opening the eyes of the blind.” People taking the “letter” of the word think they can “cast out devils” and perform miracles in the name of JESUS CHRIST, citing the following: Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. Many people today, thinking having the truth, are “casting out devils” in the name of [i]JESUS CHRIST[/i]. They profess to know Jesus Christ, but can we see any difference from the Pharisees as our Lord saw them? Joh 8:19 “... Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: [b]if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.”[/b] It needs to be emphasized what is coming from their lips, “The infinite Father God cannot be clearly identified with the finite mind of man.” These people, like Pharisees, do not know God! Many people think these professing apostles of Christ perform “miracles”, but in the eyes of our Lord they are only WONDERS, of “casting out devils and healing diseases” not by the power of our Lord, the “spirit” in the word, but through the [b]“letter[/b]” of the word: 2 Cor 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; [b]NOT OF THE LETTER[/b], but of the spirit: [b]FOR THE LETTER KILLETH[/b], but the spirit giveth life. Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; THE [b]FLESH PROFITETH NOTHING[/b]: the [b]WORDS[/b] that I speak unto you, [b]THEY ARE SPIRIT[/b], and they are life. Beelzebub cannot and will never cast out devils. [b]Otherwise his kingdom will be divided and brought to desolation.[/b] [b]Therefore, the counterfeit-literal miracles of “casting out devils” preserve the kingdom of Satan.[/b] Example: Many people see and are attracted to the physical healing of the body. Today, how do many people see the miracle of the opening of the eyes of the man born blind in John 9 ? Are they not only “confined to the literal opening of the eyes?” Joh 9:36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him? Joh 9:37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee. Joh 9:38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him. But some of the Jews saw the power of our Lord, the real “casting out of devils” as few people today “whose spiritual eyes have already been opened,” representing the [b]second character [/b]in the two incidents. Joh 10:21 Others said, These are not the words of him that hath a devil. Can a devil open the eyes of the blind? The MIRACLES of our Lord, by the power of TRUTH in His words, demolish falsehood or counterfeit miracles (wonders), and divide the kingdom of Satan and bring it to desolation IN THE EYES OF GOD AND HIS CHOSEN. Joh 9:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; [b]AND THAT THEY WHICH SEE MIGHT BE MADE BLIND.[/b] Joh 9:40 And some of the PHARISEES which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also? Joh 9:41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: BUT NOW YE SAY, WE SEE; THEREFORE YOUR SIN REMAINETH. People performing "miracles" (wonders in the eyes of God) that simply benefit the BODY preserve the "kingdom of Satan" (falsehood). No wonder our Lord will tell them: Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and [i]IN THY NAME HAVE CAST OUT DEVILS[/i]? and in thy name done many wonderful works? Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, [b]I NEVER KNEW YOU[/b]: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Just as the Pharisees saw “darkness” in our Lord for they did not have the “light,” so are many people today calling Pure Christianity as a “cult or cultic” that many preachers tell their members never to visit this website. [/color]
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Posted: Nov 19, 2005 10:54:56 AM
[color=darkred]Now the following truth is getting clearer and clearer to me: 2 Cor 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but [b]the things which are not seen are eternal[/b]. The Natural Man looks and is concerned with “things which are seen” when talking about the word of God. The Natural Man thinks by reading the Holy Bible he can understand the message and /or depend on other people for the message. Indeed, the flesh or the body profits nothing from the word, but rather the soul. The body is earthly, while the soul is bound to eternal life. Many people think they hate Satan and love God, [b]but unwittingly they are preserving the kingdom of the Old Serpent.[/b] God is kind to us. I hope more people would see what God has revealed to us. [/color]
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