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- Who would say, "I hate Jesus Christ and love Satan." Or, "I hate truth and love falsehood?"

- Perhaps nobody in his right mind would say that. However, Christ saw it in His time.

- The truth is, people do not know what they are saying.

 

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Matthew 6:33

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fil3232003
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Posted: Sep 15, 2005 3:52:25 PM
Adlem, [quote]“Very well said, but do remember guys that both Moses and Paul did personally experience talking to God and both of them were able to tell their brothers facts about God which God personally taught and told them to do so.”[/quote] I hope it is clear to you that the Holy Bible that contains the word of God, represents Him, is already complete. To Moses and Paul it needed “personal” communication with God since their interaction makes up part of the Holy Bible. If you accept that the “words,” in this case the Holy Bible, represents the “speaker/author,” just as any person is represented by his/her letter, then there is no more need for personal communication as you expect God to do to you. [quote]“Never did Moses and Paul used their scriptures in teaching their brothers facts about God. Will it be totally different in our case today? I hope not.”[/quote] I suppose your question has been clarified already. [quote]1, Are both of you have been called/chosen/seek by the Lord God already? 2. If yes, can both of you share with us a little of what the Lord God are personally teaching you as God did to Moses and Paul? [/quote] What you hear from us is the best evidence whether we have been sought and chosen by God. Regardig your second question, is the word of God that represents Him not sufficient to convince you? If not, then whatever message contained in the letter of your friends/relatives is NOTHING! Crumple and throw them into the waste basket. [quote]I am asking you these not because I do have that experience with God, except in my dreams,[/quote] Deu 13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, 2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; 3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams... 5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God ...” Adlem, The first thing that God reveals to us after “finding us as lost sheep” is to reveal His IDENTITY. Now tell us the things you received in your dreams regarding the word of God and let us see whether they conform to His words.
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Steve_Jorns1
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Posted: Sep 15, 2005 8:53:39 PM
I agree. They had personal "face to face" communication. [quote] From:  [i]Adlemi Sotnas &lt;bibletalk@purechristianity.org&gt;[/i] Reply-To:  [i]bibletalk@purechristianity.org[/i] To:  [i]bibletalk@purechristianity.org[/i] Subject:  [i]RE: Matthew 6:33[/i] Date:  [i]Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:59:51 -0600[/i] [quote] Fil and Steve,       Fil said God seek His chosen ones and Steve said God did call Moses and Paul. Very well said, but do remember guys that both Moses and Paul did personally experience talking to God and both of them were able to tell their brothers facts about God which God personally taught and told them to do so. Never did Moses and Paul used their scriptures in teaching their brothers facts about God. Will it be totally different in our case today? I hope not.       Since God is the same yesterday, today, and forever and in my conformity with both of you guys, let me ask you the following:       1,  Are both of you have been called/chosen/seek by the Lord God already?       2.  If yes, can both of you share with us a little of what the Lord God are personally teaching you as God did to Moses and Paul?       3.  If the Lord God is the only source of TRUTH both in the old and the new testament, isn't it that the same Lord God is the only source of TRUTH today and forever in a very same way(as God did in the OT and the NT) of dissemination to people? Why the bible as many are resorting to nowadays? Are you one among them?       I am asking you these not because I do have that experience with God, except in my dreams, but this is due to my strong belief and conviction that it is only the Lord God who is the Good Shepherd who will teach us the TRUTH and the whole TRUTH and, also, this is due to my sad expeeriences with the born again movements and those who only use the bible to fish in mankind into their nets.       Adlem   fil3232003 &lt;bibletalk@purechristianity.org&gt; wrote: &gt; &gt; Adlemi, &gt; &gt; You ask: &gt; &gt; “The big question is "HOW" can we find God as Moses and Paul did?” &gt; &gt; If you will notice in my post, it is God who is SEEKING for His chosen, knowing that they would humble themselves “as Jesus Christ humbled Himself before the Father, as example showing the Way.” Let us remember the following basic consideration: &gt; &gt; FOR GOD’S CHOICE OF MOSES AND PAUL (and all His chosen): &gt; &gt; Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. &gt; &gt; DID WE NOT HEAR MOSES SAID? &gt; &gt; Exo 4:10 And Moses said unto the LORD, O my Lord, I am not eloquent, neither heretofore, nor since thou hast spoken unto thy servant: but I am slow of speech, and of a slow tongue. &gt; &gt; DID WE NOT HEAR SAUL (OF TARSUS) WHO WAS ZEALOUS SERVRING HIS GOD WHOM HE DID NOT  KNOW: &gt; &gt; Act 9:5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest... &gt; &gt; &gt; FOR GOD’S BLESSINGS OF “DIVINE KNOWLEDGE AND WISDOM” BOTH IN: &gt; &gt; In the Old Testament &gt; &gt; Isa 28:9 (KJV only) Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. &gt; &gt; (Almost all Bible translations, because they think the LITERAL word, put question (?) instead of period (.) after the verse, that changed the meaning entirely.) &gt; &gt; In the New Testament: &gt; &gt; Mat 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. &gt; &gt; QUESTION: &gt; &gt; How many people profess “seeking the kingdom of heaven/Lord” instead of waiting for the Lord to “find them them because He could see the kind of humility that He demonstrated when He was still  on earth?” &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com [/quote] [/quote]
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aidatcortez
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Posted: Sep 16, 2005 3:14:30 AM
quote="Steve_Jorns1"]The LORD called Moses and the Lord called Paul. Adlemi, No. I do not agree with your belief that there is no one in this world who can say that he or she is speaking the truth because it will appear that I do not know God. You know what? I really can not sum it up why you are participating in our discussion when in fact you do not and can not understand spiritual language. Do you not feel being "out of place?" You were always throwing "questions" but when one of us do the "explaining", there you will be again.....asking another question..... leaving us hanging whether the previous topic - asked by you - is clear to you or not. Tell me, what really is your purpose? Is it to brainwash the readers of this forum? To make us believe in what you are sharing? What?...... I am always one step ahead of your moves so I knew it that even if I 'll throw you an open- ended question for the sake of "clarification" or whatever, it is I, by your skilful manipulation , that will appear on the wrong. And you are doing this not only to me , but to all of us! To tell you frankly, I pity you so much but sorry, the Truth have no compassion to people who are barricading the salvation of others. If I'd be caught to choose between 99 sheeps who are not lost and one sheep really lost, I'd honestly choose the latter. I know you will not understand me and maybe you will dare say again that I was lying having said that I pity you, but it's true! In fact if there would be a chance that I can see you accept the Truth, I will jump of joy. How about forgetting about yourself and throwing your knowledge even for a while and try being humble in the sight of God? Who knows? God may be there...it's just that you do not want to move and be at His back. There's no harm in trying! [quote] From:  [i]Adlemi Sotnas &lt;bibletalk@purechristianity.org&gt;[/i] Reply-To:  [i]bibletalk@purechristianity.org[/i] To:  [i]bibletalk@purechristianity.org[/i] Subject:  [i]RE: Matthew 6:33[/i] Date:  [i]Tue, 13 Sep 2005 23:18:34 -0600[/i] [quote] &gt; &lt;?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /&gt; I'm only asking you as to whom did you ever learn that you are speaking of the TRUTH while I am not on the other hand? Do you not agree that aside from the Lord God Almighty, there is nothing more in this world who can say that he or she is speaking of the TRUTH to anyone of his brother lest God is the One telling him/her personally of such things. If  to you this is arguing, to me it is only clarificatory in nature. I did share my belief (sorry if I failed to mention this in my previous post and thanks to Fil with his introduction " I believe" which reminded me to say the same today to the brethren) regarding the topic "seeking the kingdom of God" without hard hitting someone and in conformity with what I am feeling deep inside me and nothing more. It is you who did the rebuke much more so that harsh remarks about me and my sharing were found in you. As much as I know, God is in the midst of two or three persons who gather in His name  WITHOUT any argumentation/debate. After all, all that we have said here are just our own beliefs based on how we understand what we read in the bible and they are not and do not come out exactly from the mouth of the Lord God going through our ears, as in the case of Moses and Paul, except for some bible verses which did come out from the mouth of the Lord but how can we know those verses if we will not come and seek directly the Lord God? Can anybody find the kingdom of God without finding the Lord God first? I believe none can do for we have to seek and find the Lord God first before we can find the kingdom of God. The big question is "HOW" can we find God as Moses and Paul did? HAS anyone among the brethren?   purechristianity.org&gt; wrote: &gt; &gt; Adlemi, &gt; &gt; Seeking "the kingdom of God" after the Good Shepherd have found us actually meant working for our own salvation for how can we be of use to our neighbor if we ourselves do not know the Truth or the kingdom of God is not within us?. Does this mean we have to burn the lights and be on our own? Read on " between the lines" and you will know that the answer is "No." &gt; &gt; Using verses from the Bible to make you understand something is useless because you will surely be "of the same opinion still"..... then comes "unending debate" between us. When I get angry, you will again say, I am denying God on my lips when in fact you are the one guilty of that for telling and sharing lies. &gt; &gt; Actually no one amongst us wants to argue with you . I just commented on your post to protect the people longing to and seeking for the truth like Michelle. &gt; &gt; You know what? When  two or three are gathered together in His name, there must be a "touching of the Lord" to the people present for Him to also be in the midst of them. So that when we do not hear, "This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased", we do not waste our time (although there always is, our "trying"). &gt; &gt; In your case, since we already have seen and have proven your stubborness, I suggests that you just better keep on reading the posts posted herein but never never comment unless you are ready and willing to vow to the truth, lest the word of God be blasphemed. Are we clear? &gt; &gt; Aida &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;    Yahoo! for Good    Click here to donate (http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/) to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. [/quote] [/quote][/quote]
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Posted: Sep 16, 2005 4:19:40 AM
Adlemi, Who are you not agreeing with???? [quote] From:  [i]"aidatcortez" &lt;bibletalk@purechristianity.org&gt;[/i] Reply-To:  [i]bibletalk@purechristianity.org[/i] To:  [i]bibletalk@purechristianity.org[/i] Subject:  [i]RE: Matthew 6:33[/i] Date:  [i]Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:14:31 -0600[/i] [quote] quote="Steve_Jorns1"]The LORD called Moses and the Lord called Paul. Adlemi, No. I do not agree with your belief that there is no one in this world  who can say that he or she is speaking the truth because it will appear that I do not know God. You know what? I really can not sum it up why you are participating in our discussion when in fact you do not and can not understand spiritual language. Do you not feel being "out of place?" You were always throwing "questions" but when one of us do the "explaining",  there you will be again.....asking another  question..... leaving us hanging whether the previous topic - asked by you - is clear to you or not. Tell me, what really is your purpose? Is it to brainwash the readers of this forum? To make us believe in what you are sharing? What?...... I am always one step ahead of your moves so I knew it that even if I 'll throw you  an open- ended question for the sake of "clarification" or whatever, it is I, by your skilful manipulation , that will appear on the wrong. And you are doing this not only to me , but to all of us! To tell you frankly, I pity you so much but sorry, the Truth have no compassion to people who are barricading the salvation of others. If I'd be caught to choose between  99 sheeps who are not lost and  one sheep really lost, I'd honestly choose the latter. I know you will not understand me and maybe you will dare say again that I was lying having said that I pity you, but it's true! In fact if there would be a chance that I can see you accept the Truth, I will jump of joy. How about forgetting about yourself  and throwing your knowledge even for a while and try being humble in the sight of God? Who knows? God may be there...it's just that you do not want to move and be at His back. There's no harm in trying! &gt; &gt; From:  Adlemi Sotnas &lt;bibletalk@purechristianity.org&gt; &gt; Reply-To:  bibletalk@purechristianity.org &gt; To:  bibletalk@purechristianity.org &gt; Subject:  RE: Matthew 6:33 &gt; Date:  Tue, 13 Sep 2005 23:18:34 -0600 &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;  &gt; &lt;?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I'm only asking you as to whom did you ever learn that you are speaking of the TRUTH while I am not on the other hand? Do you not agree that aside from the Lord God Almighty, there is nothing more in this world who can say that he or she is speaking of the TRUTH to anyone of his brother lest God is the One telling him/her personally of such things. If  to you this is arguing, to me it is only clarificatory in nature. I did  share my belief (sorry if I failed to mention this in my previous post and thanks to Fil with his introduction " I believe" which reminded me to say the same today to the brethren) regarding the topic "seeking the kingdom of God" without hard hitting someone and in conformity with what I am feeling deep inside me and nothing more. It is you who did the rebuke much more so that harsh remarks about me and my sharing were found in you. As much as I know, God is in the midst of two or three persons who gather in His name  WITHOUT any argumentation/debate. After all, all that we have said here are just our own beliefs based on how we understand what we read in the bible and they are not and do not come out exactly from the mouth of the Lord God going through our ears, as in the case of Moses and Paul, except for some bible verses which did come out from the mouth  of the Lord but how can we know those verses if we will not come and seek directly the Lord God? Can anybody find the kingdom of God without finding the Lord God first? I believe none can do for we have to seek and find the Lord God first before we can find the kingdom of God. The big question is "HOW" can we find God as Moses and Paul did? &gt; &gt; HAS anyone among the brethren? &gt; &gt;   &gt; &gt; purechristianity.org&gt; wrote: &gt; &gt;  &gt; &gt; &gt;  &gt; Adlemi, &gt; &gt;  &gt; &gt; &gt;  &gt; Seeking "the kingdom of God" after the Good Shepherd have found us actually meant working for our own salvation for how can we be of use to our neighbor if we ourselves do not know the Truth or the kingdom of God is not within us?. Does this mean we have to burn the lights and be on our own? Read on " between the lines" and you will know that the answer is "No." &gt; &gt;  &gt; &gt; &gt;  &gt; Using  verses from the Bible to make you understand something is useless because you will surely be "of the same opinion still"..... then comes "unending debate" between us. When I get angry, you will again say, I am denying God on my lips when in fact you are the one guilty of that for telling and sharing lies. &gt; &gt;  &gt; &gt; &gt;  &gt; Actually no one amongst us wants to argue with you . I just commented on your post to protect the people longing to and seeking for the truth like Michelle. &gt; &gt;  &gt; &gt; &gt;  &gt; You know what? When  two or three are gathered together in His name, there must be a "touching of the Lord" to the people present for Him to also be in the midst of them. So that when we do not hear, "This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased", we do not waste our time (although there always is, our "trying"). &gt; &gt;  &gt; &gt; &gt;  &gt; In your case, since we  already have seen and have proven your stubborness, I suggests that you just better keep on reading the posts posted herein but never never comment unless you are ready and willing to vow to the truth, lest the word of God be blasphemed. Are we clear? &gt; &gt;  &gt; &gt; &gt;  &gt; Aida &gt; &gt;  &gt; &gt; &gt;  &gt; &gt; &gt;  &gt; &gt; &gt;  &gt; &gt; &gt;  &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;    Yahoo! for Good &gt; &gt;    Click here to donate (http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/) to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; [/quote] [/quote]
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Posted: Sep 16, 2005 12:03:37 PM
Adlem:    “Very well said, but do remember guys that both Moses and Paul did personally experience talking to God and both of them were able to tell their brothers facts about God which God personally taught and told them to do so.” Fil:      I hope it is clear to you that the Holy Bible that contains the word of God, [quote] Adlem:  Yes, but not all in the bible.  Fil:      represents Him, is already complete. Adlem:   Remember that the Lord God is alive and kicking, real and existing, and never does the Lord God sleep at any poing in time, can anybody, anything, and even the bible represent God as God when God can speak up for Himself if He wishes for there is nothing impossible to God? I am not arguing with you but what you are telling me now are nothing new to me for I heard them already to my previous affiliations who are also using the bible(not that I am discarding the bible but they are using it for their own interest) and they do have exactly the same views with you. My sad experiences with them hardened my heart to believe them and same serves as the key for me to cling to my present belief and conviction about God. Is there any great danger that will befall before us if we ask the Lord God what is the truth behind your issues that the word of God represents God and the bible is already complete, why not hear the answer directly from the Lord no matter how long will it take for us to wail? My best friend say there is no harm in trying.  I have a strong belief that God will answer back for God is alive, real, and existing.    Fil:     To Moses and Paul it needed “personal” communication with God since their interaction makes up part of the Holy Bible. Adlem:  I will take this part as you honest opinion because neither did I hear this from my previous so called Christian groups nor did I ever read this from the bible. But if you will tell me that you heard this directly from the Lord God as God did to Moses and Paul, well to God be the glory forever and ever and beg for your kind forgiveness for what I said previously.   Fil:     If you accept that the “words,” in this case the Holy Bible, represents the “speaker/author,” just as any person is represented by his/her letter, then there is no more need for personal communication as you expect God to do to you. Adlem:  The "speaker/author" in this case is alive in the same way that your wife(hope your married) is alive, too.  Let us say that someone approaches you bringing with him a letter coming from your wife and when he gives you the letter and open it, the letters is telling you to give that bearer (of her letter to you) a large sum of money in the amount of $ 1,000,000.00 in cold cash. Are you going to give the guy outrightly the said amount of money? Are you not going to call up your wife first and verify from her the truth about the matter? Which among the two is a better judgment that you can render to yourself and to your wife? It always takes two to dance the Tango, bear that in mind.  Adlem:   1, Are both of you have been called/chosen/seek by the Lord God already?  2. If yes, can both of you share with us a little of what the Lord God are personally teaching you as God did to Moses and Paul? Fil:    What you hear from us is the best evidence whether we have been sought and chosen by God. Regardig your second question, is the word of God that represents Him not sufficient to convince you? If not, then whatever message contained in the letter of your friends/relatives is NOTHING! Crumple and throw them into the waste basket. Adlem:   I don't know why a simple nay and yeah seem to lock the jaw. When I read the bible, I read in it that when the Pharoah asked Moses about God, Moses said that the Lord God who was commanding him to see the Pharoah was "I Am that I Am:". Furthermore, when Moses asked the Lord God as what name would he tell when they would be asking for a name, the Lord God said to Moses, tell them "I Am that I Am". Say yes when it is yes and say no when it is no and do not go in circle where there in no end. What I heard from you are the same things(although they slightly vary in sentence constructions but the thoughts and meanings are the same except for the claim that each one is the true children of God) I heard from various religious denominations including my previous ones. Never did they ever say that those were personally uttered to them by the Lord God. Regarding to the word of God (if you are pertaining to the bible), it is already in existence before we were born and same is not personally given/handed down to you or to me by God. My basis for this second question is well established for you not to know the answer.     Adlem:      I am asking you these not because I do have that experience with God, except in my dreams, Fil:   Deu 13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, 2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; 3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams... 5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God ...” Adlem:    I am not telling you anything about my dreams in this case so why quote that bible verse to me when you don't have any idea yet of my dream/s. Are you being fair enough to me and to yourself? Fil:     The first thing that God reveals to us after “finding us as lost sheep” is to reveal His IDENTITY. Now tell us the things you received in your dreams regarding the word of God and let us see whether they conform to His words. Adlem:    Now you are again talking in cirlce here that you are telling me that God reveals to you( refers to your word :"us"), after God found you as the  lost sheep, to reveal God's identity. There is no doubt that if I ask you what did God reveal to you about Himself, you will just read from the bible verses that tell something about the identitiy of God. Moses didn't do that when asked about God and so did Paul, did they? I am sorry if I am coming to you this way but just driving a point and hope you have a long string to stretch out for your patience. Regarding my dream(on the contrary to your verse is the book of prophet Joel), here are two which are very recent. In one of my dreams I saw military tanks rolling out of the street and people were in chaos everywhere here in our country and all of a sudden, I saw a long line of military policemen manning people of every sort of classes going through a long queue of prisoner where all people seemed to be under military custody. That is how short is the dream. Another dream came and this time I saw dead people lying flat, up side down, side by side on the ground and  everywhere I look were all dead in different position except for one and a very little small child of about 3 to 4 months old seating at the center of all the dead, for he is the only one living person that I saw, looking all around him but saying nothing. Then I heard a loud voice from above saying "it will come to pass that you(mankind) will be needing more than twenty years to see the dawn of light in your life, a time for you to get well and good" . Another two which are quite a long time: in one of my dreams, I saw every animal of every sort became very wild that they went hand in hand swarming and killing people everywhere and to me it was as if I was there and felt the reality of the said dream. People were screaming and can do nothing with that event. And the fourth one is that in my dream, I awoke in the middle of my sleep to take a leak and since we were living in a barrio, I have to go out of the house and find some place outside to take wee wee. It was very dark outside and I walked to a nearby tree and positioned myself beside it and took my wee wee. While I was still having my wee wee, I suddenly saw a coconut broom lying flat at the side of our house stood up, graciously dancing and moved forward, as if it was walking and dancing, towards me. I was frightened and began to pray and started casting it out but to my surprise, the coconut broom seemed to be smiling at me as if it was telling me to calm  down for it was watching me for my good sake and will do nothing harm to me. I was easily appeased by that saying and started to feel something good inside me.     I believe God is the One behind these dreams for I never had these dreams before. There were interpretations that were not allowed to be revealed especially those which concern with the on-going tribulation period. PS I agree with Art in his last part that we have to seek "God" in God's own terms. [/quote] Yahoo! for Good [url=http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/]Click here to donate[/url] to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.
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Posted: Sep 16, 2005 1:15:27 PM
[quote:d054a2fc0f="Steve_Jorns1"]The LORD called Moses and the Lord called Paul. Aida:     No. I do not agree with your belief that there is no one in this world who can say that he or she is speaking the truth because it will appear that I do not know God. Adlem:   I'm sorry my best friend if it does come to you that way. What I mean there is that only God is the TRUTH and there is nothing in this world who can speak up of the TRUTH lest God is the One who tells him/her of the TRUTH. So for those who really knows God like Moses. Paul, and the likes like you as you professed, for sure they can speak of the TRUTH for they know the TRUTH from the Lord God. And if you are very sure now of yourself that you know God, then why do you have to get back to me this way when you can tell the TRUTH because you know God and God is the One who tells you the TRUTH?  Aida:    You know what? I really can not sum it up why you are participating in our discussion when in fact you do not and can not understand spiritual language. Do you not feel being "out of place?" Adlem:   Actually, all I know is that I am only asking all of you here if you really have the personal experience from God as in the cases of Moses and Paul because I've been with other religious groups before and I did see with my own two eyes how did they manipulate the bible to catch up fishes in our midst. I saw how they were defeated by greed of mammon and lust for power(to be the leader of the flock) through the use of the bible. I saw how defensive were they when asked of their authority to preach, etc.., etc.. Maybe you are just misunderstanding my being too questionable if you may call it. I am looking for those people who really have the true experience with God in a true biblical way. I am again sorry if to you I do not understand spiritual languages. What I know with spiritual is something that transpire between God and men, spiritual in the sense that it must come directly from God since God is spirit and whatever comes out from the mouth of the Lord, as He did to Moses and Paul, is truly the spiritual language of God. Those are what I am asking anybody here if they do have or not. To me, if it will not be of any similarity with Moses and Paul, then it is nothing but a mere opinion of the speaker. Call it spiritual or physical, it doesn't make sense at all for it does not come directly from God.  I am willing to wait for God til death do me stop breathing. Being out of place in this premise is not a bad thing for me but rather for the glorification fo the Lord God. Aida:   You were always throwing "questions" but when one of us do the "explaining", there you will be again.....asking another question..... leaving us hanging whether the previous topic - asked by you - is clear to you or not. Tell me, what really is your purpose? Is it to brainwash the readers of this forum? To make us believe in what you are sharing? What?...... Adlem:   The more you ask, the more you learn and the more direct answer you give, the more you are addressing the issue/s. Don't tell me you have forgotten our final thesis in English subject in College wherein you have to defend same for you to pass the subject. It is like a puzzle wherein there are lots of pieces to join with each other to see the full view of the picture. That is my purpose in asking many questions, to make it clear to me as to what you really meant with what you are saying, that's all and nothing more. What's wrong in asking directly and waiting to God to give us the meaning of the verses in the bible that we read instead of doing it the way people of various denominations and, also, people like you are doing it now? That's all I am sharing with in this forum.   Aida:  I am always one step ahead of your moves so I knew it that even if I 'll throw you an open- ended question for the sake of "clarification" or whatever, it is I, by your skilful manipulation , that will appear on the wrong. And you are doing this not only to me , but to all of us! Adlem:   Do it this way so that we may see if I am that one you are depicting right now. Just be specific and direct with your answer and we will understand each other. The way things are moving here is that God is the One teaching all of the brethren of your group but when being questioned as to what God teaches them or as to how God teaches them, they just resort to bible verses for the answer, things that I did experience with my previous groups. This is exactly opposite of what the bible teaches, so much so that this is contrary to God as God does exist. I am again sorry if I caused you this feeling but I am just looking for a real biblical way that God did to mankind. Maybe I am really stubborn in this but this is what I feel and in my dire need. To patch this up, just let this be a way sharing and let us have this pass our way but not friendship for the sake of LOVE thy neighbor. Anyway, God is the One who will judge all of us when we die, right or wrong to you and me, only God knows.     Aida:   To tell you frankly, I pity you so much but sorry, the Truth have no compassion to people who are barricading the salvation of others. If I'd be caught to choose between 99 sheeps who are not lost and one sheep really lost, I'd honestly choose the latter. Adlem:   Who can stop in doing it, not even God will surely stop you. But when we die onward to the second coming of the Lord God, only there and then that the TRUTH will be revealed before us. I do respect your opinion and let me be your best friend with the Lord. Aida:    I know you will not understand me and maybe you will dare say again that I was lying having said that I pity you, but it's true! In fact if there would be a chance that I can see you accept the Truth, I will jump of joy. How about forgetting about yourself and throwing your knowledge even for a while and try being humble in the sight of God? Who knows? God may be there...it's just that you do not want to move and be at His back. There's no harm in trying! Adlem:   It so happens that we have different view on the spiritual and to me it is as if we were travelling on two parallel tracks where the point of meeting somewhere is impossible for quite a time or times but who knows if somewhere, somehow. or one time we meet, If we will stop moving, much more so that we will not be able to meet, so keep on moving and I pray to God that we may meet one day.  I will also jump with joy when that day comes.        Adlemi Sotnas [quote] Reply-To:  bibletalk@purechristianity.org To:  bibletalk@purechristianity.org Subject:  RE: Matthew 6:33 Date:  Tue, 13 Sep 2005 23:18:34 -0600 &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I'm only asking you as to whom did you ever learn that you are speaking of the TRUTH while I am not on the other hand? Do you not agree that aside from the Lord God Almighty, there is nothing more in this world who can say that he or she is speaking of the TRUTH to anyone of his brother lest God is the One telling him/her personally of such things. If  to you this is arguing, to me it is only clarificatory in nature. I did share my belief (sorry if I failed to mention this in my previous post and thanks to Fil with his introduction " I believe" which reminded me to say the same today to the brethren) regarding the topic "seeking the kingdom of God" without hard hitting someone and in conformity with what I am feeling deep inside me and nothing more. It is you who did the rebuke much more so that harsh remarks about me and my sharing were found in you. As much as I know, God is in the midst of two or three persons who gather in His name  WITHOUT any argumentation/debate. After all, all that we have said here are just our own beliefs based on how we understand what we read in the bible and they are not and do not come out exactly from the mouth of the Lord God going through our ears, as in the case of Moses and Paul, except for some bible verses which did come out from the mouth of the Lord but how can we know those verses if we will not come and seek directly the Lord God? Can anybody find the kingdom of God without finding the Lord God first? I believe none can do for we have to seek and find the Lord God first before we can find the kingdom of God. The big question is "HOW" can we find God as Moses and Paul did? &gt; HAS anyone among the brethren? &gt;   &gt; purechristianity.org&gt; wrote: &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Adlemi, &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Seeking "the kingdom of God" after the Good Shepherd have found us actually meant working for our own salvation for how can we be of use to our neighbor if we ourselves do not know the Truth or the kingdom of God is not within us?. Does this mean we have to burn the lights and be on our own? Read on " between the lines" and you will know that the answer is "No." &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Using verses from the Bible to make you understand something is useless because you will surely be "of the same opinion still"..... then comes "unending debate" between us. When I get angry, you will again say, I am denying God on my lips when in fact you are the one guilty of that for telling and sharing lies. &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Actually no one amongst us wants to argue with you . I just commented on your post to protect the people longing to and seeking for the truth like Michelle. &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; You know what? When  two or three are gathered together in His name, there must be a "touching of the Lord" to the people present for Him to also be in the midst of them. So that when we do not hear, "This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased", we do not waste our time (although there always is, our "trying"). &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; In your case, since we already have seen and have proven your stubborness, I suggests that you just better keep on reading the posts posted herein but never never comment unless you are ready and willing to vow to the truth, lest the word of God be blasphemed. Are we clear? &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Aida [/quote] [/quote]
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Not agreeing with what? Can you please make yourself very clear to me.   I am just a simple human being, like you, looking for God in His reality of existence as I do read in the bible. [b][i]Steve Jorns &lt;bibletalk@purechristianity.org&gt;[/i][/b] wrote: [quote] Adlemi, Who are you not agreeing with???? [quote] From:  "aidatcortez" Reply-To:  bibletalk@purechristianity.org To:  bibletalk@purechristianity.org Subject:  RE: Matthew 6:33 Date:  Thu, 15 Sep 2005 13:14:31 -0600 &gt; &gt; quote="Steve_Jorns1"]The LORD called Moses and the Lord called Paul. &gt; &gt; Adlemi, &gt; &gt; No. I do not agree with your belief that there is no one in this world  who can say that he or she is speaking the truth because it will appear that I do not know God. &gt; &gt; You know what? I really can not sum it up why you are participating in our discussion when in fact you do not and can not understand spiritual language. Do you not feel being "out of place?" &gt; &gt; You were always throwing "questions" but when one of us do the "explaining",  there you will be again.....asking another  question..... leaving us hanging whether the previous topic - asked by you - is clear to you or not. Tell me, what really is your purpose? Is it to brainwash the readers of this forum? To make us believe in what you are sharing? What?...... &gt; &gt; I am always one step ahead of your moves so I knew it that even if I 'll throw you  an open- ended question for the sake of "clarification" or whatever, it is I, by your skilful manipulation , that will appear on the wrong. And you are doing this not only to me , but to all of us! &gt; &gt; To tell you frankly, I pity you so much but sorry, the Truth have no compassion to people who are barricading the salvation of others. If I'd be caught to choose between  99 sheeps who are not lost and  one sheep really lost, I'd honestly choose the latter. &gt; &gt; I know you will not understand me and maybe you will dare say again that I was lying having said that I pity you, but it's true! In fact if there would be a chance that I can see you accept the Truth, I will jump of joy. &gt; &gt; How about forgetting about yourself  and throwing your knowledge even for a while and try being humble in the sight of God? Who knows? God may be there...it's just that you do not want to move and be at His back. &gt; &gt; There's no harm in trying! &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; From:  Adlemi Sotnas &gt; &gt; Reply-To:  bibletalk@purechristianity.org &gt; &gt; To:  bibletalk@purechristianity.org &gt; &gt; Subject:  RE: Matthew 6:33 &gt; &gt; Date:  Tue, 13 Sep 2005 23:18:34 -0600 &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;  &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; I'm only asking you as to whom did you ever learn that you are speaking of the TRUTH while I am not on the other hand? Do you not agree that aside from the Lord God Almighty, there is nothing more in this world who can say that he or she is speaking of the TRUTH to anyone of his brother lest God is the One telling him/her personally of such things. If  to you this is arguing, to me it is only clarificatory in nature. I did  share my belief (sorry if I failed to mention this in my previous post and thanks to Fil with his introduction " I believe" which reminded me to say the same today to the brethren) regarding the topic "seeking the kingdom of God" without hard hitting someone and in conformity with what I am feeling deep inside me and nothing more. It is you who did the rebuke much more so that harsh remarks about me and my sharing were found in you. As much as I know, God is in the midst of two or three persons who gather in His name  WITHOUT any argumentation/debate. After all, all that we have said here are just our own beliefs based on how we understand what we read in the bible and they are not and do not come out exactly from the mouth of the Lord God going through our ears, as in the case of Moses and Paul, except for some bible verses which did come out from the mouth  of the Lord but how can we know those verses if we will not come and seek directly the Lord God? Can anybody find the kingdom of God without finding the Lord God first? I believe none can do for we have to seek and find the Lord God first before we can find the kingdom of God. The big question is "HOW" can we find God as Moses and Paul did? &gt; &gt; &gt; HAS anyone among the brethren? &gt; &gt; &gt;   &gt; &gt; &gt; purechristianity.org&gt; wrote: &gt; &gt; &gt;  &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;  &gt; Adlemi, &gt; &gt; &gt;  &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;  &gt; Seeking "the kingdom of God" after the Good Shepherd have found us actually meant working for our own salvation for how can we be of use to our neighbor if we ourselves do not know the Truth or the kingdom of God is not within us?. Does this mean we have to burn the lights and be on our own? Read on " between the lines" and you will know that the answer is "No." &gt; &gt; &gt;  &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;  &gt; Using  verses from the Bible to make you understand something is useless because you will surely be "of the same opinion still"..... then comes "unending debate" between us. When I get angry, you will again say, I am denying God on my lips when in fact you are the one guilty of that for telling and sharing lies. &gt; &gt; &gt;  &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;  &gt; Actually no one amongst us wants to argue with you . I just commented on your post to protect the people longing to and seeking for the truth like Michelle. &gt; &gt; &gt;  &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;  &gt; You know what? When  two or three are gathered together in His name, there must be a "touching of the Lord" to the people present for Him to also be in the midst of them. So that when we do not hear, "This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased", we do not waste our time (although there always is, our "trying"). &gt; &gt; &gt;  &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;  &gt; In your case, since we  already have seen and have proven your stubborness, I suggests that you just better keep on reading the posts posted herein but never never comment unless you are ready and willing to vow to the truth, lest the word of God be blasphemed. Are we clear? &gt; &gt; &gt;  &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;  &gt; Aida &gt; &gt; &gt;  &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;  &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;  &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;  &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;  &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;    Yahoo! for Good &gt; &gt; &gt;    Click here to donate (http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/) to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; [/quote] [/quote] Yahoo! for Good [url=http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/]Click here to donate[/url] to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.
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Posted: Sep 16, 2005 3:03:43 PM
I am only wondering how this discussion regarding the TOPIC, "Seek ye first the kingdom of God..." has gone so far. May I compare this with a target practice? Some participants have already hit the "bull's eye" with God's demonstration of Bible characters in looking for His "lost sheep." And we can still see some "trigger happy" mortal shooting beyond the target object.[size=18][/size]
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Posted: Sep 16, 2005 6:02:42 PM
[size=18][color=red]With God’s revelation I can see clearly now that seeking God is HUMBLING ONESELF TO THE TRUTH…[/color][/size]
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Posted: Oct 19, 2005 5:33:13 AM
[color=darkblue]Adlemi, I suppose participants in this forum are curious to know who the One True God you are worshipping. Will you please reveal to us his identity since it is your belief that you can receive messages from him through “personal contact in dreams and vision”?[/color]
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Posted: Oct 19, 2005 2:53:24 PM
[quote]The One true God I am worshipping right is the Lord God Almighty who spoke up with Moses in the burning bush, the God who gave wisdom to King Solomon, the God who spared the life of Daniel against the lions in the den, the God who used the prophet Samuel, the Lord God Almighty in the Old Testament whose nature is spirit and this is the very same God who being spirit in form dwelt/lived in the bodily flesh born out of Mary, and His name is the Lord Jesus Christ. This is how I summed it up in the articles I found in the archives of this forum and this very same God is now giving me the unordinary dreams which always emphasizes to me that He is the Lord God. His who spoke up with Moses in the burning bush, the God who gave wisdom [/quote] [b][i]fil3232003 &lt;bibletalk@purechristianity.org&gt;[/i][/b] wrote: [quote]Adlemi, I suppose participants in this forum are curious to know who the One True God you are worshipping. Will you please reveal to us his identity since it is your belief that you can receive messages from him through &#8220;personal contact in dreams and vision&#8221;? [/quote]
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Posted: Oct 19, 2005 3:17:38 PM
[quote]The One true God I am worshipping right is the Lord God Almighty who spoke up with Moses in the burning bush, the God who gave wisdom to King Solomon, the God who spared the life of Daniel against the lions in the den, the God who used the prophet Samuel, the Lord God Almighty in the Old Testament whose nature is spirit and this is the very same God who being spirit in form dwelt/lived in the bodily flesh born out of Mary, and His name is the Lord Jesus Christ. This is how I summed it up in The One true God I am worshipping right is the Lord God Almighty who spoke up with Moses in the burning bush, [/quote] [b][i]fil3232003 &lt;bibletalk@purechristianity.org&gt;[/i][/b] wrote: [quote]Adlemi, I suppose participants in this forum are curious to know who the One True God you are worshipping. Will you please reveal to us his identity since it is your belief that you can receive messages from him through &#8220;personal contact in dreams and vision&#8221;? [/quote]
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Posted: Oct 28, 2005 1:09:31 AM
adlemsot, ALL GLORY TO THE LORD GOD!! HE DID IT ALL! GLORY IN NO OTHER THING OR PERSON BUT THE LORD! From the beginning God has chosen His own. The problem is when man starts patting himself on the back by glorying in his own wisdom that he chose Christ.[/quote]
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Posted: Oct 28, 2005 12:53:29 PM
we are nohting but a mere creation while the Lord is the Lord, the Lord God Almighty who created all things and the Lord is revealed through the coming in the flesh and His name is Jesus. truly indeed, glory belongs to the Lord only and humbleness before the Lord must be to us, His creation. the Lord knows who really glorifies HIM not only in words but also in deeds and in acts. [b][i]Steve &lt;bibletalk@purechristianity.org&gt;[/i][/b] wrote: [quote]adlemsot, ALL GLORY TO THE LORD GOD!! HE DID IT ALL! GLORY IN NO OTHER THING OR PERSON BUT THE LORD! From the beginning God has chosen His own. The problem is when man starts patting himself on the back by glorying in his own wisdom that he chose Christ.[/quote]
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Posted: Nov 25, 2005 3:57:01 AM
[size=18]Bro. Steve, I can see your post is related to the 3 H for salvation. Everything comes from God and nothing can the chosen boast upon. His/her only role is to humblle oneself to God. Sandie[/size] [quote:f4cd718412="Steve"]adlemsot, ALL GLORY TO THE LORD GOD!! HE DID IT ALL! GLORY IN NO OTHER THING OR PERSON BUT THE LORD! From the beginning God has chosen His own. The problem is when man starts patting himself on the back by glorying in his own wisdom that he chose Christ.[/quote]
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Posted: Nov 25, 2005 3:48:39 PM
and in humbling oneself to God, we have to speak nothing but only those that will come out from the mouth of the Lord and for us to do it, we must call upon the Lord God directly and man's personal encounter with the Lord will be the reality of His being our Good Shepherd, meaning for us to know from the bible which are of the Lord and which are not, the Lord God will be the only One to teach us personally through that personal encounters and these phenomena are clearly testified to by the bible throughout the lives of Moses, the prophets, the apostles, the disciples like Paul, and other bible characters. glorifying God through these encounters is not using one's own wisdom because such glorification he/she learns is from God's wisdom that God is imparting to any one who is seeking the Lord God true to his heart. the problem lies in man's disbelief that the Lord God is not anymore speaking to any one today as God did in the Old and the New testaments for the main reason that we have the bible today. if the bible is testifying to this work of God to mankind, why people of today is deliberately ignoring and disclaiming this work of God to have its continuity until now and in the times to come.    don't be deceived and open up your eyes oh people, behold that through the use of the bible, different religious groups, beliefs, denominations and sects are now sprouting everywnhere around the globe and with such maginificent and triumphant victories in numbers and finances especially for some other well known groups. aren't you afraid that the white horseman of the apocalypse has the bible as his bow and this is the reason why he conquers and conquers everywhere - continues propagation that the word of God which people today calls the holy bible is the representation and substitute of God in dealing with mankind and that the bible, too, is perfect and infallible.  instead of teaching the truth that it is the Lord God himself who is the Good Pastor who will teach mankind about the whole TRUTH, be it about Godhood and about all things especially in the bible, they portray the bible as the substitute for God and this work ( treating the bible as God ) of mankind today has blinded so many people that the reality of the existence of God seems to be just  a fairy tale or has ended up somewhere. if we want to learn the contents of the bible, let us ask the Lord God to personally teach about thoses things.   in this regard, all things come from the Lord God and even if we glorify God, we glorify Him in accordance with His will because we learn it from the Lord God for His being our Good Pastor similar to our school days where we learn from our teachers. unless we believe and entrust our whole life to the Lord God who is real and alive, God will be far away from us even when we die and only our portrayal of God as we read them in the bible will be the mainstay in our mind unto eternity to damnation, and even so in that predicament, do not forget oh people to go back to God and seek for His forgiveness and you will be saved. all sins will be forgiven if we will humble ourselves before the Lord and seek for His forgiveness. all the glory belongs to the Lord God only.   [b][i]sandra3102 &lt;bibletalk@purechristianity.org&gt;[/i][/b] wrote: [quote]Bro. Steve, I can see your post is related to the 3 H for salvation. Everything comes from God and nothing can the chosen boast upon. His/her only role is to humblle oneself to God. Sandie Steve wrote: [quote] adlemsot, ALL GLORY TO THE LORD GOD!! HE DID IT ALL! GLORY IN NO OTHER THING OR PERSON BUT THE LORD! From the beginning God has chosen His own. The problem is when man starts patting himself on the back by glorying in his own wisdom that he chose Christ. [/quote] [/quote]
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