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vdf
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Posted Sep 27, 2005 at 12:56:41 PM
Subject: John 14:6
Joh:14:6: Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Brethren, can you share what Jesus meant when he said this popular verse in the bible...
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Posted: Oct 10, 2005 10:13:28 PM
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John 14:6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: and no one cometh unto the Father, but by me. ================================================ He is the "way" by being the model in showing us the example on how to follow the will of God. 1 Pet. 2:21 "For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:" Rom. 8:29 "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren." John 10:9" I am the door by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved..." He is the "truth" as it is written 1 John 5:20 "And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.” Identifying and recognizing the truth which is Jesus Christ is to be free from bondage(natural man perception about God) John 8:32 “And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” He is the "life" for giving us spiritual  understanding that we may know His commandments. These commandments serve as spiritual foods that could sustain life, an everlasting one. As it is written in John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. Romans 7:6 "But now we are delivered  from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in  newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the  letter."  2 Cor. 3:6 "Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of  the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth  life." John 11:25-26 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? [b][u]Truly, there is no one can come to the Father except through Jesus Christ[/u] and for by His mercy and grace alone that we may be able to recognize the one true God. [/b] John 6:44 "[b][u]No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him[/u][/b]: and I will raise him up at the last day."   John 6:65"And he said, Therefore said I unto you, [b][u]that no man can come unto me, [/u][/b] [b][u]except  it were given unto him of my Father."[/u][/b]   John 3:26 "And they came unto John, and said unto him, [b][u]Rabbi, he that was with thee [/u][/b] [b][u]beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and [/u][/b] [b][u]all men come to him."[/u][/b]   John 3:27 "John answered and said, [b][u]A man can receive nothing, except it be given [/u][/b] [b][u]him from heaven."[/u][/b]   Matthew 16:17 "And Jesus answered and said unto him, [b][u]Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: [/u][/b] [b][u]for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.[/u][/b] [b][u][/u][/b]  [b]Thus, recognition of the Father can only be revealed through Jesus Christ(Word +Holy Spirit)[/b]     ----- Original Message ----- From: "vdf" &lt;bibletalk@purechristianity.org ([email]bibletalk@purechristianity.org[/email])&gt; To: &lt;bibletalk@purechristianity.org ([email]bibletalk@purechristianity.org[/email])&gt; Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2005 8:23 AM Subject: John 14:6 [quote] Joh:14:6: Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. [/quote] [quote] Brethren, can you share what Jesus meant when he said this popular verse in the bible... [/quote] [quote] [/quote]
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Posted: Oct 12, 2005 6:38:39 AM
[color=darkblue]Jesus is the truth. Am I correct to see that Jesus is the only one who can expound on his words in: Mark 4:34 But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, [u]he expounded all things to his disciples[/u]. This is the most important lesson I learn from the discussion in this forum. In the beginning, I thought I could understand what I read but later realized that this is only one side of the truth. Richard[/color]
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Posted: Oct 15, 2005 3:24:49 PM
Subject: Mark 4:34
[color=red]Richard,[/color] [color=darkred]Accepting: Mark 4:34 But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples. I think is the most important truth anybody can find in the word of God for then, one can already recognize "The Lord our God is one Lord." Many people will be eliminated claiming the "[i]truth[/i]."[/color]
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Posted: Oct 16, 2005 1:57:44 AM
Subject: John 14:6
100% you are correct Ric but the trouble is many do not believe in the first place that Jesus is still talking to people today as in the days of the old (oftenly they always ask "HOW" as if they were fully amazed) and that  Jesus alone can be the One and the only One who can expound His words to any one whom He wishes to as He did it to Paul and other bible characters. Since the words in the bible were commanded by the Lord Jesus to be written for us mankind to know that God is real and that these words will testify to the reality of the existence of God so that whoever may read the bible will draw himself/herself nigh to the Lord Jesus in order for the Lord to become his/her Good Pastor, not me, not you, not them, not anybody but only the Lord Jesus. Don't be deceived, call directly and in the right way to the Lord Jesus and put all your trust and confidence to the Lord Jesus and wait for Him to be your direct teacher or Good Pastor.  [b][i]ric32bailey &lt;bibletalk@purechristianity.org&gt;[/i][/b] wrote: [quote] Jesus is the truth. Am I correct to see that Jesus is the only one who can expound on his words in: Mark 4:34 But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples. This is the most important lesson I learn from the discussion in this forum. In the beginning, I thought I could understand what I read but later realized that this is only one side of the truth. Richard [/quote] [url=http://pa.yahoo.com/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=36035/*http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/]Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.[/url]
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Posted: Oct 16, 2005 6:51:22 AM
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[color=darkblue]Adlemi, I appreciate your belief that Richard is correct 100%. I don’t know whether you also believe that, “Many are called but only few are chosen.” I regret to say that now you are referring to the “many” who won’t believe:[/color] “...but the trouble is many do not believe in the first place that Jesus is still talking to people today as in the days of the old (oftenly they always ask "HOW" as if they were fully amazed) and that Jesus alone can be the One and the only One who can expound His words to any one whom He wishes to as He did it to Paul and other bible characters.” [color=darkblue]For the importance of the written word of God, the HOLY BIBLE, I wonder whether you experience having a relative in another country, assuming no communication is available except through “letters.” Are not the “letters” representing your relative? When you read his/her letters it is as if he/she is in front of you “talking in a personal way?” That I believe is the purpose of the “letter” of God, the HOLY BIBLE. Expecting your relative to hear his/her “voice” is next to impossible “except in dreams or visions.” Your belief, I regret to state, are not sanctioned by God. Read the following carefully and I hope you don’t belong to the “many” that do not trust what “is written”: Gal 1:8 “But though we, or an [b]angel from heaven[/b], preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.” The enemy of God will grab the opportunity of personifying/counterfeiting Him in the form of apparition, vision, and dreams. Ecc 5:7 "For in the multitude of [b]dreams [/b]and many words there are also divers [u]vanities[/u]: but fear thou God. “vanities” lead to: egotism self-importance conceit futility I suppose all participants in this forum value the HOLY BIBLE, the written word of God, as representation of Himself. No wonder real praise to Him is expressed in His words: Psa 56:10 In God will I praise his word: in the LORD will I praise his word. We can only “praise God in his word” after revealing the great message that is hidden to “many” people. Do you believe this?[/color][b][/b]
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Posted: Oct 17, 2005 1:12:14 AM
Brethren, I am hereby posting a sort of " What's happening behind the scene" in the spiritual lives of our brothers and sisters in Christ. May this serves as an inspiration to all ! : Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:46:58 +0100 (BST) From: "PORFIRIO ANAKPAWIS" &lt;porfirioanakpawis@yahoo.com&gt; View Contact Details Yahoo! DomainKeys has confirmed that this message was sent by yahoo.com. Learn more Subject: Fwd: Re: moved to JOLO CITY To: aidatcortez@yahoo.com Dear sister Aida, Here is an e-mail that came from brother Art and my response. In behalf of the others, we are so blessed by your relentless sharing of the Truth. brother Tony Note: forwarded message attached. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Forwarded Message [ Download File | Save to Yahoo! Briefcase ] Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 17:37:28 +0100 (BST) From: "PORFIRIO ANAKPAWIS" &lt;porfirioanakpawis@yahoo.com&gt; Subject: Re: moved to JOLO CITY To: "Art Barga" &lt;art.barga@acec-sa.com&gt; HTML Attachment [ Download File | Save to Yahoo! Briefcase ] Dear brother, It is only me, Tony that could respond because I advised the brothers and sisters here to be always on low profile. Nonetheless, when we could find safer grounds, best to move again. The muslim couple were really a miracle and as days passed by, we all were blessed because of their SPIRITUAL growth and the loss of physical fear from both. Very sorry for not always keeping to be in touch and be able to share on the purechristianity website. Brother, please convey to our brethren this message. In behalf of the others, I appreciate very much your e-mail that would motivate all of us here to hold and grow for the Spiritual truth abounding. brother Tony Art Barga &lt;art.barga@acec-sa.com&gt; wrote: Brethren, It is good and relieving to know that you are out of the danger you were in before. I hope everything will be in good and proper place for you now that you are in Jolo City. I could only wish that you will support and take care of each other in everything you do. Please do embrace the truth and be at fellowship with the word always. The more you submerge yourselves with the word the more you be cleansed with the filthiness of this world. Bro. Art ----- Original Message ----- From: "PORFIRIO ANAKPAWIS" To: Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 7:34 PM Subject: RE: "Born of a woman" &gt; &gt; &gt; Dear brethren, &gt; &gt; We are all blessed in the Spiritual Truth of GOD's WORDS and for the &gt; meantime, our group read only thru an internet cafe nearby. Connection &gt; of amang's computer thru a telephone line is still underway and seems &gt; the process would take a long time. &gt; &gt; We are all now here in jolo city feeling a lot safer now than before. This &gt; is tony in behalf of porong, amang, mama, zaheed , and amana writing &gt; on line in our purechristianity website. &gt; &gt; &gt; aidatcortez wrote: &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; In the last sect that I joined in, it is almost always that when a certain verse- taught by our pastors is still unclear to me, I usually approach and ask them to further explain it to me. Most of the time, their "explanations" are very convincing so that when we parted I have nothing but high praises for them. &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; One time, the pastor who was assigned to teach that day, taught us to take a little wine when our stomach is aching (that is how he understood 1 Tim. 5:23). What happened next? He was suspended (because we are strictly not allowed to take wine of any kind in that congreggation). &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; That event drove me nowhere to go and whom to believe. And considering that even in the Bible I could not find the answer as to "which is which" I was then haunted by mixed emotions . &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Does God forbids His people to take wine? To take the word of God literally, the answer would be "Yes and No:" &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Leviticus 10:9 " Do not take wine nor strong drink...." &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; 1Timothy 5:23 "Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities." &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Our pastor then understood "for thy stomach's sake" as "when our stomach is aching". It was human wisdom that he used in understanding God's word not ever thinking that the word "aching" was not there. I waited for the explanations of the"Drink no longer water" but he did not touch the subject. Did I care to approach him after the service as I usually do ? No more. Because as the whole thing brought me so much confusion, I felt I could never be convince by him or by anyone else no matter how much they tried. What was left of me then? Nothing ,.... but to hope that one day it would be God Himself that will explain me whatever is there that I wanted to know. Did the time comes that it happen? No.Why? Because I was not in the Truth. It was only after that the Lord sought and found me that everything about 1 Tim. 5:23 became clear to me. &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Talking about "stomach", it is where our food goes. When we take unhealty foods, normally our stomach suffers from disturbances. Now, since in the spiritual side it is the word of God that we say we eat, we ought to eat the right kind of food- which is the Truth. Who can feed us the Truth but God( the Truth) alone through His word (the Word was God). &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Water symbolizes the word of God. If we are to take water alone(or study the word by ourselves) without the help of the Holy Spirit that giveth life to His word, automatically our stomach will suffer. So, what are we to do? Drink not water alone but instead take a little wine and this is " Word + Holy Spirit ". Who can follow this in the real sense? Those that are "MADE OF A WOMAN" who else!
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Posted: Oct 17, 2005 6:40:16 AM
Adlemi, James 1:27 "Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world." 1 Corinthians 8:6 " But to us there is but one God, the Father..." Jeremiah 3:14 "Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you...." The "fatherless" are the sons of the Father, and the "widows" are the wives of God (they are the lost sheeps) who, after being deceived- by the "false christ " ( a "false christ" is not a psychopath who claims or will claim that he/she is Christ, but as Christ is the Saviour, they are those that stands on the pulpit teaching thereby grabbing the honor and the titles that are of God's); are on the stage of having " sought " by the Shepherd. Revelation 19:7 " Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready." Revelation 17:14 ".... for he is the Lords of lords, and the King of kings : and they that are with him are called, and chosen , and faithful." As there is neither male nor female and all are one in Christ Jesus (Gal. 3:28)- they are the "wife" that "hath made herself ready" mentioned in Rev.19:7: the "once upon a time" considered fatherless and widows on earth who, after being shared of the truth, accepted the "words" like little children and thus remained faithful to Jesus Christ to the end or to their last breath (Matt 10:22). Adlemi, Jesus, Christ, Christ Jesus and Jesus Christ are one and the same, yes; but in your statement, "whoever may read the bible will draw himself/herself nigh to the Lord Jesus in order for the Lord to become his/her Good Pastor" you are denying this fact on you lips because it is contradicting the Truth.What is my point? Here: Reading the Bible alone is absolutely not the way in drawing ourselves nigh to God. If it is true, then all the people would have had been "believers". In order for the Lord to become our Good Pastor? Tila yata baligtad at lihis sa katotohanan(inverted and not based on the truth): John 15:16 " Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you...." Psalms 23:1 "The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want." Sorry if I have hurt you one way or another , but I have no choice really. It's either I back up your lies, or tell the Truth in God ........
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Posted: Oct 19, 2005 9:26:59 AM
[color=green]Little by little I can now pick up some message of God. Yes, “Jesus is the Way,” I can see he is showing the way to the chosen to follow. People cannot see why Jesus, who is God, humbled himself before God. I can read this in many verses that some people see him he is only a man and not God or a minor God. Now I can comprehend Jesus did that showing the way to conduct ourselves like him. Before, I thought I was already humble not knowing that I still enforce my will specially when it come to understanding His words. Now I look for verses that support or explain the point I want to know. I thank God for this. [/color]
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We must all rejoice watching how God looks for His “lost sheep,” using His chosen as instrument. God’s search knows no bounds. Imagine some people belonging to Islam religion which, under their doctrine is a crime to leave it, can resist being cast off or even suffer death. These chosen few respond to God’s love, aptly described in the article: A Pearl of Great Price http://www.purechristianity.org/index.php?module=articles&amp;func=display&amp;ptid=1&amp;aid=31
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Posted: Oct 19, 2005 2:44:12 PM
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[quote]&lt;?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /&gt;[quote][quote][quote][/quote][quote][quote][/quote]  This time I don’t want to hurt anybody’s feelings especially in this forum, hence, I made it very general and without name dropping nor pinpointing to any specific person. That is how I do believe now in God and I thank God for bringing me to this forum for it is in here where I found articles of some of the brethren (Aussie, Pinoys, and Americana) who are testifying to the reality of the existence of the [quote][/quote]0[quote][quote][/quote]1[quote][quote][/quote]2[quote][quote][/quote]3[quote][quote][/quote]4[quote][quote][/quote]5[quote][quote][/quote]6[quote][quote][/quote]7[quote][quote][/quote]8[quote][quote][/quote]9[quote][quote][/quote]0[quote][quote][/quote]1[quote][quote][/quote]2[quote][quote][/quote]3[quote][quote][/quote]4[quote][quote][/quote]5[quote][quote][/quote]6[quote][quote][/quote]7[quote][quote][/quote]8[quote][quote][/quote]9[quote] [/quote]0[quote] [/quote]1  [/quote][/quote] [/quote]2[quote] [/quote]3[quote] [/quote]4[b][i]fil3232003 &lt;bibletalk@purechristianity.org&gt;[/i][/b] wrote: [quote]Adlemi, I appreciate your belief that Richard is correct 100%. I don’t know whether you also believe that, “Many are called but only few are chosen.” I regret to say that now you are referring to the “many” who won’t believe: “...but the trouble is many do not believe in the first place that Jesus is still talking to people today as in the days of the old (oftenly they always ask "HOW" as if they were fully amazed) and that Jesus alone can be the One and the only One who can expound His words to any one whom He wishes to as He did it to Paul and other bible characters.” For the importance of the written word of God, the HOLY BIBLE, I wonder whether you experience having a relative in another country, assuming no communication is available except through “letters.” Are not the “letters” representing your relative? When you read his/her letters it is as if he/she is in front of you “talking in a personal way?” That I believe is the purpose of the “letter” of God, the HOLY BIBLE. Expecting your relative to hear his/her “voice” is next to impossible “except in dreams or visions.” Your belief, I regret to state, are not sanctioned by God. Read the following carefully and I hope you don’t belong to the “many” that do not trust what “is written”: Gal 1:8 “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.” The enemy of God will grab the opportunity of personifying/counterfeiting Him in the form of apparition, vision, and dreams. Ecc 5:7 "For in the multitude of dreams and many words there are also divers vanities: but fear thou God. “vanities” lead to: egotism self-importance conceit futility I suppose all participants in this forum value the HOLY BIBLE, the written word of God, as representation of Himself. No wonder real praise to Him is expressed in His words: Psa 56:10 In God will I praise his word: in the LORD will I praise his word. We can only “praise God in his word” after revealing the great message that is hidden to “many” people. Do you believe this? [/quote] [url=http://pa.yahoo.com/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=36035/*http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/]Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.[/url]
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Posted: Oct 19, 2005 2:48:54 PM
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[quote][quote]&lt;?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /&gt;[/quote][quote]Thanks my best friend for your post and I will pray to the Lord Jesus for all of what you are saying and like with what I said with Fil, I will do it in a friendly way this time. What I mean there is that when you read the bible, you will know first that there is God and God is real and alive and that you should call to this God and entrust your whole life to Him and God will come to you, as the Good Pastor, as He did to bible characters. In that way, the contents of the bible draw you near to God because you go directly to God after reading it and knowing what God did to people then. This is the only Thanks my best friend for your post and I will pray to the Lord Jesus [/quote]0[quote]Thanks my best friend for your post and I will pray to the Lord Jesus [/quote]1[quote]Thanks my best friend for your post and I will pray to the Lord Jesus [/quote]2[quote]Thanks my best friend for your post and I will pray to the Lord Jesus [/quote]3[quote]Thanks my best friend for your post and I will pray to the Lord Jesus [/quote]4[quote]Thanks my best friend for your post and I will pray to the Lord Jesus [/quote]5[quote]Thanks my best friend for your post and I will pray to the Lord Jesus [/quote]6[quote]Thanks my best friend for your post and I will pray to the Lord Jesus [/quote]7[quote]Thanks my best friend for your post and I will pray to the Lord Jesus [/quote]8[quote]Thanks my best friend for your post and I will pray to the Lord Jesus [/quote]9[quote]for all of what you are saying and like with what I said with Fil, I [/quote]0 [/quote] [b][i]aidatcortez &lt;bibletalk@purechristianity.org&gt;[/i][/b] wrote: [quote]Adlemi, James 1:27 "Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world." 1 Corinthians 8:6 " But to us there is but one God, the Father..." Jeremiah 3:14 "Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you...." The "fatherless" are the sons of the Father, and the "widows" are the wives of God (they are the lost sheeps) who, after being deceived- by the "false christ " ( a "false christ" is not a psychopath who claims or will claim that he/she is Christ, but as Christ is the Saviour, they are those that stands on the pulpit teaching thereby grabbing the honor and the titles that are of God's); are on the stage of having " sought " by the Shepherd. Revelation 19:7 " Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready." Revelation 17:14 ".... for he is the Lords of lords, and the King of kings : and they that are with him are called, and chosen , and faithful." As there is neither male nor female and all are one in Christ Jesus (Gal. 3:28)- they are the "wife" that "hath made herself ready" mentioned in Rev.19:7: the "once upon a time" considered fatherless and widows on earth who, after being shared of the truth, accepted the "words" like little children and thus remained faithful to Jesus Christ to the end or to their last breath (Matt 10:22). Adlemi, Jesus, Christ, Christ Jesus and Jesus Christ are one and the same, yes; but in your statement, "whoever may read the bible will draw himself/herself nigh to the Lord Jesus in order for the Lord to become his/her Good Pastor" you are denying this fact on you lips because it is contradicting the Truth.What is my point? Here: Reading the Bible alone is absolutely not the way in drawing ourselves nigh to God. If it is true, then all the people would have had been "believers". In order for the Lord to become our Good Pastor? Tila yata baligtad at lihis sa katotohanan(inverted and not based on the truth): John 15:16 " Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you...." Psalms 23:1 "The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want." Sorry if I have hurt you one way or another , but I have no choice really. It's either I back up your lies, or tell the Truth in God ........ [/quote] [url=http://pa.yahoo.com/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=36035/*http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/]Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.[/url]
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Posted: Oct 19, 2005 3:11:00 PM
Subject: John 14:6
[quote]&lt;?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /&gt; [quote][quote]This time I don’t want to hurt anybody’s feelings Especially in this forum, hence, I made it very general and without name dropping nor pinpointing to any specific person. That is how I do believe now in God and I thank God for bringing me to this forum for it is in here where I found articles of some of the brethren (Aussie, Pinoys, and &lt;?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /&gt;Americana) who are testifying to the reality of the existence of the Lord Jesus which I do not find in my previous affiliation, the born [quote][quote]This time I don’t want to hurt anybody’s feelings [/quote]0[quote][quote][quote]This time I don’t want to hurt anybody’s feelings [/quote]1[quote][quote][quote]This time I don’t want to hurt anybody’s feelings [/quote]2[quote][quote][quote]This time I don’t want to hurt anybody’s feelings [/quote]3[quote][quote][quote]This time I don’t want to hurt anybody’s feelings [/quote]4[quote][quote][quote]This time I don’t want to hurt anybody’s feelings [/quote]5[quote][quote][quote]This time I don’t want to hurt anybody’s feelings [/quote]6[quote][quote][quote]This time I don’t want to hurt anybody’s feelings [/quote]7[quote][quote][quote]This time I don’t want to hurt anybody’s feelings [/quote]8[quote][quote][quote]This time I don’t want to hurt anybody’s feelings [/quote]9[quote]Especially in this forum, hence, I made it very [/quote]0[quote]Especially in this forum, hence, I made it very [/quote]1[quote]Especially in this forum, hence, I made it very [/quote]2[quote]Especially in this forum, hence, I made it very [/quote]3[quote]Especially in this forum, hence, I made it very [/quote]4[quote]Especially in this forum, hence, I made it very [/quote]5[quote]Especially in this forum, hence, I made it very [/quote]6[quote]Especially in this forum, hence, I made it very [/quote]7[quote]Especially in this forum, hence, I made it very [/quote]8[quote]Especially in this forum, hence, I made it very [/quote]9[quote]general and without name dropping nor pinpointing [/quote]0[quote]general and without name dropping nor pinpointing [/quote]1[quote]general and without name dropping nor pinpointing [/quote]2[quote]general and without name dropping nor pinpointing [/quote]3[quote]making any compromise. general and without name dropping nor pinpointing [/quote]4[quote]general and without name dropping nor pinpointing [/quote]5[/quote] [/quote] [b][i]fil3232003 &lt;bibletalk@purechristianity.org&gt;[/i][/b] wrote: [quote]Adlemi, I appreciate your belief that Richard is correct 100%. I don’t know whether you also believe that, “Many are called but only few are chosen.” I regret to say that now you are referring to the “many” who won’t believe: “...but the trouble is many do not believe in the first place that Jesus is still talking to people today as in the days of the old (oftenly they always ask "HOW" as if they were fully amazed) and that Jesus alone can be the One and the only One who can expound His words to any one whom He wishes to as He did it to Paul and other bible characters.” For the importance of the written word of God, the HOLY BIBLE, I wonder whether you experience having a relative in another country, assuming no communication is available except through “letters.” Are not the “letters” representing your relative? When you read his/her letters it is as if he/she is in front of you “talking in a personal way?” That I believe is the purpose of the “letter” of God, the HOLY BIBLE. Expecting your relative to hear his/her “voice” is next to impossible “except in dreams or visions.” Your belief, I regret to state, are not sanctioned by God. Read the following carefully and I hope you don’t belong to the “many” that do not trust what “is written”: Gal 1:8 “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.” The enemy of God will grab the opportunity of personifying/counterfeiting Him in the form of apparition, vision, and dreams. Ecc 5:7 "For in the multitude of dreams and many words there are also divers vanities: but fear thou God. “vanities” lead to: egotism self-importance conceit futility I suppose all participants in this forum value the HOLY BIBLE, the written word of God, as representation of Himself. No wonder real praise to Him is expressed in His words: Psa 56:10 In God will I praise his word: in the LORD will I praise his word. We can only “praise God in his word” after revealing the great message that is hidden to “many” people. Do you believe this? [/quote] [url=http://pa.yahoo.com/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=36035/*http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/]Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.[/url]
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Posted: Oct 19, 2005 3:14:07 PM
Subject: John 14:6
[quote]Thanks my best friend for your post and I will pray &lt;?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /&gt;to the Lord Jesus for all of what you are saying and like with what I said with Fil, I will do it in a friendly way this time. What I mean there is that when you read the bible, you will know first that there is God and God is real and alive and that you should call to this God and entrust your whole life to Him and God will come to you, as the Good Pastor, as He did to bible characters. In that way, the contents of the bible draw you near to God because to the Lord Jesus for all of what you are saying [/quote]0[quote]to the Lord Jesus for all of what you are saying [/quote]1[quote]to the Lord Jesus for all of what you are saying [/quote]2[quote]to the Lord Jesus for all of what you are saying [/quote]3[quote]to the Lord Jesus for all of what you are saying [/quote]4[quote]to the Lord Jesus for all of what you are saying [/quote]5[quote]to the Lord Jesus for all of what you are saying [/quote]6[quote]to the Lord Jesus for all of what you are saying [/quote]7[quote]to the Lord Jesus for all of what you are saying [/quote]8[quote]to the Lord Jesus for all of what you are saying [/quote]9[quote]and like with what I said with Fil, I will do it in [/quote]0[quote]and like with what I said with Fil, I will do it in [/quote]1[quote]and like with what I said with Fil, I will do it in [/quote]2[quote]and like with what I said with Fil, I will do it in [/quote]3 [b][i]aidatcortez &lt;bibletalk@purechristianity.org&gt;[/i][/b] wrote: [quote]Adlemi, James 1:27 "Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world." 1 Corinthians 8:6 " But to us there is but one God, the Father..." Jeremiah 3:14 "Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you...." The "fatherless" are the sons of the Father, and the "widows" are the wives of God (they are the lost sheeps) who, after being deceived- by the "false christ " ( a "false christ" is not a psychopath who claims or will claim that he/she is Christ, but as Christ is the Saviour, they are those that stands on the pulpit teaching thereby grabbing the honor and the titles that are of God's); are on the stage of having " sought " by the Shepherd. Revelation 19:7 " Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready." Revelation 17:14 ".... for he is the Lords of lords, and the King of kings : and they that are with him are called, and chosen , and faithful." As there is neither male nor female and all are one in Christ Jesus (Gal. 3:28)- they are the "wife" that "hath made herself ready" mentioned in Rev.19:7: the "once upon a time" considered fatherless and widows on earth who, after being shared of the truth, accepted the "words" like little children and thus remained faithful to Jesus Christ to the end or to their last breath (Matt 10:22). Adlemi, Jesus, Christ, Christ Jesus and Jesus Christ are one and the same, yes; but in your statement, "whoever may read the bible will draw himself/herself nigh to the Lord Jesus in order for the Lord to become his/her Good Pastor" you are denying this fact on you lips because it is contradicting the Truth.What is my point? Here: Reading the Bible alone is absolutely not the way in drawing ourselves nigh to God. If it is true, then all the people would have had been "believers". In order for the Lord to become our Good Pastor? Tila yata baligtad at lihis sa katotohanan(inverted and not based on the truth): John 15:16 " Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you...." Psalms 23:1 "The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want." Sorry if I have hurt you one way or another , but I have no choice really. It's either I back up your lies, or tell the Truth in God ........ [/quote] [url=http://pa.yahoo.com/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=36035/*http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/]Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.[/url]
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Posted: Oct 19, 2005 5:58:26 PM
Subject: John 14:6
Richard; This is how God feed his chosen. It happened to everybody who humble themselves. First he gave us milk and not meat. Being babes he knows the right food for us but ourselves don't know. That is why every chosen must submit oneself before God. This is the key, being an infant. [b][i]ric32bailey &lt;bibletalk@purechristianity.org&gt;[/i][/b] wrote: [quote]Little by little I can now pick up some message of God. Yes, “Jesus is the Way,” I can see he is showing the way to the chosen to follow. People cannot see why Jesus, who is God, humbled himself before God. I can read this in many verses that some people see him he is only a man and not God or a minor God. Now I can comprehend Jesus did that showing the way to conduct ourselves like him. Before, I thought I was already humble not knowing that I still enforce my will specially when it come to understanding His words. Now I look for verses that support or explain the point I want to know. I thank God for this. [/quote] [url=http://pa.yahoo.com/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=36035/*http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/]Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free.[/url]
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Posted: Oct 20, 2005 6:50:17 AM
[color=darkblue]Adlemi, Thank you for your reply. I suppose all participants in this forum are one in trying to obey the commandment, "Love thy neighbor as thyself." This after having humbled themselves, and through a "miracle," as God did to Simon Peter (Matt. 16:16-17), clearly recognized JESUS. This was followed with the "divine revelation" of the "spirit" of the word that "giveth life" (2 Cor. 3:6) in: 1 Cor 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 1 Cor 2:13 Which things also we speak, [u]not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth,[/u] [b]but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual[/b]. It is through this "great message of God of His words" that love for Him is manifested -- in His sight (not man's). That is why they realized real praise to Him through "His words". Psa 56:10 In God will I praise his word: in the LORD will I praise his word. With all these truth did our Lord show His true followers. Then the last sequence in love, that of "love of neighbor." It is hoped God revealed to you that "Neighbor" to God is not "fellowmen" as the Natural Man understands. "Neighbor" refers to the [size=18]current and potential "poor in spirit" (Matt. 5:3)[/size] as exemplified by the "victim" of the thieves in the parable of the Good Samaritan who was [size=18]"leaving Jerusalem and going to Jericho." [/size]Again, it is hoped God revealed to you the hidden message of this. If not, you may post your question on this point. Let us remember recognizing Jesus requires “the revelation of the Father” and never should it come "from flesh and blood" (Matt. 16:16-17), thereby recognizing Father God also (John 8:19). Now, are you still waiting for the SECOND COMING of Christ? For you is our divinely inspired love.[/color]
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Posted: Oct 20, 2005 3:18:59 PM
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Definitely, I am waiting for the Second Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ for it is this event which will be the fulfillment of the promises  of the Lord to His flock or the elect and so on. One thing I do keep in my heart today is the very recent message which I did receive from the Lord thru dreams in which the message clearly stated to me that the only cure or remedy that mankind may do now to attain peace, prosperity, and  sustainable environment is for all of us to have "LOVE" in our heart and in our soul. I am glad that you are also talking now about this four letter word that all of us badly needed in our heart, in our soul, in our thoughts, and in our deeds. Be it in the physical or in the spiritual, "LOVE" can conquer all of these mean behavior and characteristics of mankind should we really humbled ourselves before the Lord God..   As I said, I am now for a friendly discussion and let us show that "LOVE" resides in our heart, in our soul, in our thougts and in our deeds. Let us all be one in promoting "LOVE" with each other. Truly and I do agree with you that anything not of the Lord God Almighty is useless and in vain and will further bring us or lead us to destruction and tribulation. Let us take good care of our soul and spirit which will be with the Lord in the near future should we passed the trials set before us by the Lord in our life or same will be with the boiling sea of fire and water  in hell should we failed to pass the trials set before us by the Lord God in our life. I am glad that all of us here believe that God is real and alive.   Thanks for your brotherly love and concern and may God be with you always.  [b][i]fil3232003 &lt;bibletalk@purechristianity.org&gt;[/i][/b] wrote: [quote]Adlemi, Thank you for your reply. I suppose all participants in this forum are one in trying to obey the commandment, "Love thy neighbor as thyself." This after having humbled themselves, and through a "miracle," as God did to Simon Peter (Matt. 16:16-17), clearly recognized JESUS. This was followed with the "divine revelation" of the "spirit" of the word that "giveth life" (2 Cor. 3:6) in: 1 Cor 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 1 Cor 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. It is through this "great message of God of His words" that love for Him is manifested -- in His sight (not man's). That is why they realized real praise to Him through "His words". Psa 56:10 In God will I praise his word: in the LORD will I praise his word. With all these truth did our Lord show His true followers. Then the last sequence in love, that of "love of neighbor." It is hoped God revealed to you that "Neighbor" to God is not "fellowmen" as the Natural Man understands. "Neighbor" refers to the current and potential "poor in spirit" (Matt. 5:3) as exemplified by the "victim" of the thieves in the parable of the Good Samaritan who was "leaving Jerusalem and going to Jericho." Again, it is hoped God revealed to you the hidden message of this. If not, you may post your question on this point. Let us remember recognizing Jesus requires “the revelation of the Father” and never should it come "from flesh and blood" (Matt. 16:16-17), thereby recognizing Father God also (John 8:19). Now, are you still waiting for the SECOND COMING of Christ? For you is our divinely inspired love. [/quote]
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Posted: Oct 21, 2005 5:17:56 AM
[color=blue]Adlemi, At last you opened your heart, your SOUL, your real self, what is in your mind and feeling, when you said:[/color] [color=red]Definitely, I am waiting for the Second Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ for it is this event which will be the fulfillment of the promises of the Lord to His flock or the elect and so on.[/color] [color=blue]Sad to state, I hope you take this as our sincere SPIRITUAL love for you that, still you do not know our Lord Jesus “by the revelation of the Father” (Matt. 16:16-17). How could you make our Lord Jesus remiss of His promises? Did He not promise “not to leave His Disciples comfortless,” in other words, to have a COMFORTER, by “coming back.”? Read this very carefully:[/color] Joh 14:18 I will not leave you [size=18]comfortless[/size]: [size=18]I WILL COME TO YOU[/size].” [color=blue]Did not our Lord Jesus promise “to be with His disciples till the end of the world always?” Read this very carefully:[/color] Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. [color=blue]For you to wait for HIS SECOND COMING have made Him remiss of all these promises – a liar. We all know it is Lucifer turning himself to SATAN who is the liar and the father of lies. Have you read this?[/color] Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. [color=blue]Jesus Christ has come the SECOND TIME ALREADY! Read this very carefully:[/color] 2 Cor 3:17 Now the LORD is that SPIRIT: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. [color=blue]Have you read how to read the Holy Bible? [/color] Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: [color=blue]There is only ONE LORD:[/color] 1 Cor 8:6 But to us THERE IS BUT one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and [size=24]ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST[/size], by whom are all things, and we by him. [color=blue]The SPIRIT is the Holy Spirit![/color] Joh 7:39 (But this spake he of the SPIRIT, which they that believe on him should receive: for the HOLY GHOST was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.) [color=blue]Christ’s SECOND COMING is when we are truly “Born again” as the Disciples were at Pentecost. And, “where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.”[/color] [color=blue]The word of our Lord is “spirit” (John 6:63). “Liberty” does not refer to political or economic freedom, but from the use our intellect, feeling, and from erroneous beliefs of other people transferred to us. PLEASE, PLEASE, read the article:[/color] "LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE" http://www.purechristianity.org/index.php?module=articles&amp;func=display&amp;ptid=1&amp;aid=32 [color=blue]There are two kinds of LOVE: “spiritual” and “emotional.” You are talking of emotional love that is not based on the truth, but simply the dictate of the heart:[/color] Jer 17:9 [size=18]The heart is deceitful above all things[/size], and desperately wicked: who can know it? [color=blue]I have many more things to say to you... but the space is limited. Please read some articles in this website. Most of all, don’t forget to carefully read the following:[/color] Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. Mat 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. [color=blue]The opposite:[/color] 1 Cor 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. 20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom KNEW NOT GOD... [color=blue]Of course our “spiritual love” for you is more important than the “emotional” that Natural Man understand.[/color]
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Posted: Oct 21, 2005 10:21:41 AM
[color=blue]Adlemi, I hope you can see the following that remain hidden from many people: Let us remember “God was manifest in the flesh” (1 Tim. 3:16 KJV) and there is only One God, the Father (1 Cor. 8:6a). Emmanuel that means “God with us.” Thus JESUS has the following TWO ROLES: Role as FATHER, that is how Simon Peter recognized Jesus as the Christ, or Savior, and the Father is the only Savior (Isa. 43:11). • Jesus accepted worship. (many verses) • Jesus was addressed “Rabbi” or Teacher or Pastor, Lord, and Master.” • Jesus’ body died on the cross, fulfilling the Testament as required (Heb. 9:16, 1 John 3:16 KJV). Role as SON, that is how Simon Peter recognized Jesus as “The Son of the living God,” that means the “Anoined One.” With this role: • Jesus humbled before the Father to show the Way (John 14:6), as model (Rom. 8:29), by example (1 Pet 2:21). Who among God’s chosen can take this role? Abraham? Jacob? Moses? Peter? Paul? Virgin Mary? • Jesus said, “On my own, I can do nothing (John 5:19).” • Jesus did not accept that He is good (Luke 18:18-19) • Jesus declared He did not know the end of the world.” (Matt. 24:36) • Jesus told Magdalene He has God like her.” (John 20:17) • “On the cross, Jesus shouted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” (Matt. 27:46) • Plus many more verses indicating Jesus in His role as Son. The TWO ROLES of the HOLY GHOST. With the testament of salvation of the Father, promising Himself as the INHERITANCE: [b]Role as FATHER[/b] God, being the inheritance (Ezek. 44:28, Psa. 16:5). It was the Holy Ghost that the Disciples recived at Pentecost, and real believers today. And, [b]Role as JESUS[/b] with His promises in John 14:18 and Matt. 28:20) Hidden from the Natural Man’s eyes (1 Cor. 2:14), are the following that make them hope for the SECOND COMING OF CHRIST: Act 1:9 “And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; 11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.” The foregoing is being related to the following: Rev 1:7 “Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.” While many people profess, “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever,” they cannot see JESUS, representing the Truth in theWord, “is the same yesterday, and today, and forever.” [b][i]“Behold, he cometh with clouds”[/i][/b] Jesus Christ, or the TRUTH, coming with CLOUDS is expounded in the following. Rain comes from the CLOUDS! Deu 32:2 “My [b]doctrine[/b] shall drop as the [b]rain[/b]...” Is not this the “coming of our Lord” or the TRUTH to a person who is truly “born again?” as the Disciples were at Pentecost? [i][b]“Those who pierced him.” [/b][/i] • [b]Literally,[/b] these were the people who persecuted and killed Him. • [b]Spiritually,[/b] these are the people today who “persecute and kill the truth?” [b][i]“All kindreds of the earth shall wail...” [/i][/b] One meaning of “wail” is “to howl.” Are not many people today HOWL like dogs (Phil. 3:2) whenever they “see” or hear the truth in the real believers? [/color]
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Posted: Oct 21, 2005 1:01:01 PM
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We both believe that there is only One God, the Father, the Lord God Almighty who created the heaven and the earth and all that is before our eyes. That God is spirit in nature and this very same God was manifested in the  flesh. Allow me to express to you how do I understand this manifestation of God in the flesh and kindly tell me if you do agree or not, but this does not mean that we are arguing - only sharing our respective faith in God.    In the Old Testament, there is only One God, the Lord God Almighty who spoke to Moses, Abraham, Samuel, Daniel, and other prophets and this Lord God Almighty is spirit in nature. He spoke to them in different ways and performed to them miracle works like what the Lord God Almighty did before the eyes of Pharaoh and the Egyptians. Most of all, the Lord God Almighty is definitely the Savior of all people in the Old Testament.   Touching with the New Testament period, the same Almighty Lord God in the Old Testament was now manifested in the flesh so that the Almighty Lord God be with the people of the New Testament period specifically at the time of Herod and Pilate. Prior to the manifestation of the Almighty Lord God in the flesh, God did send the Holy Spirit to Mary for the Holy Spirit to prepare and to implant in the womb of Mary the second Adam, bodily flesh, to which the Lord God Almighty will temple/live/dwelleth Himself. Manifestation of the Lord God in the flesh is the dwelling or living in the flesh the fullness of the Lord God Almighty and this is the fulfillment of the term "EMMANUEL" which means God with us. In here, the Lord God Almighty is revealed as the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son, the Messiah, and the Savior of the World - the Savior of the people of all sort, be it in the Old Testament, the New Testament, after the New Testament, our time today, and all the people in the times to come, hence the Lord God is One and apart from Him there is no other God. The manner and condition by which Adam and Eve will be saved are the same manner and condition by which all people of every sort and time, including us, will be saved, too. Being born again, humbling ourselves before the Lord, being little children before the Lord, and so on are the same as denying ourselves and putting all our trust and confidence to the Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord God Almighty who is the Savior of the world, and we will be saved in doing it.        The coming of the Lord Jesus Christ in our life is of two manifestations. in the flesh and in the spirit ways. The first, the coming to us of the Lord God Almighty in the flesh is the same as His coming to Moses in the burning bush, the same as His coming to Paul in the road to Damascus, the same as His coming to Samuel, Daniel, and most important of all is the manifestation of the Lord God Almighty in the flesh born of Mary -we and the people in the times to come are not exempted from experiencing this phenomenon lest the reality of the existence of God and God himself will not be made known to "US TODAY" and in the times to come. We are still in the flesh and yet the Lord God Almighty will manifest Himself, as the Good Pastor, to us in many ways for us to know the real existence of God, whom we do not see yet physically as of this time, and so that those who seek the Lord true to their heart and soul will not go astray but will surely be drawn nigh to the Lord God Almighty by the Lord God himself..     The second, the coming to us of the Lord God Almighty in the spirit is no other than the Second Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ in which all eyes, including those who pierced the bodily flesh that the Lord God Almighty dwelleth then, will see Him and final consummation of all ages will take place. This is the time where the the paradise, for the elect or saved ones, and the hell, for the doomed ones, will emerge and remain forever.   This is how summed up my faith in God and if somewhere somehow you find it quite contrary to your faith, just let it pass over you and ignore or do whatever you think is appropriate and necessary.    I can see your sincerity and patience in doing these things to your fellowmen and I wish that you succeed. God bless you always. [b][i]fil3232003 &lt;bibletalk@purechristianity.org&gt;[/i][/b] wrote: [quote]Adlemi, I hope you can see the following that remain hidden from many people: Let us remember “God was manifest in the flesh” (1 Tim. 3:16 KJV) and there is only One God, the Father (1 Cor. 8:6a). Emmanuel that means “God with us.” Thus JESUS has the following TWO ROLES: Role as FATHER, that is how Simon Peter recognized Jesus as the Christ, or Savior, and the Father is the only Savior (Isa. 43:11). • Jesus accepted worship. (many verses) • Jesus was addressed “Rabbi” or Teacher or Pastor, Lord, and Master.” • Jesus’ body died on the cross, fulfilling the Testament as required (Heb. 9:16, 1 John 3:16 KJV). Role as SON, that is how Simon Peter recognized Jesus as “The Son of the living God,” that means the “Anoined One.” With this role: • Jesus humbled before the Father to show the Way (John 14:6), as model (Rom. 8:29), by example (1 Pet 2:21). Who among God’s chosen can take this role? Abraham? Jacob? Moses? Peter? Paul? Virgin Mary? • Jesus said, “On my own, I can do nothing (John 5:19).” • Jesus did not accept that He is good (Luke 18:18-19) • Jesus declared He did not know the end of the world.” (Matt. 24:36) • Jesus told Magdalene He has God like her.” (John 20:17) • “On the cross, Jesus shouted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” (Matt. 27:46) • Plus many more verses indicating Jesus in His role as Son. The TWO ROLES of the HOLY GHOST. With the testament of salvation of the Father, promising Himself as the INHERITANCE: Role as FATHER God, being the inheritance (Ezek. 44:28, Psa. 16:5). It was the Holy Ghost that the Disciples recived at Pentecost, and real believers today. And, Role as JESUS with His promises in John 14:18 and Matt. 28:20) Hidden from the Natural Man’s eyes (1 Cor. 2:14), are the following that make them hope for the SECOND COMING OF CHRIST: Act 1:9 “And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; 11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.” The foregoing is being related to the following: Rev 1:7 “Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.” While many people profess, “Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever,” they cannot see JESUS, representing the Truth in theWord, “is the same yesterday, and today, and forever.” “Behold, he cometh with clouds” Jesus Christ, or the TRUTH, coming with CLOUDS is expounded in the following. Rain comes from the CLOUDS! Deu 32:2 “My doctrine shall drop as the rain...” Is not this the “coming of our Lord” or the TRUTH to a person who is truly “born again?” as the Disciples were at Pentecost? “Those who pierced him.” • Literally, these were the people who persecuted and killed Him. • Spiritually, these are the people today who “persecute and kill the truth?” “All kindreds of the earth shall wail...” One meaning of “wail” is “to howl.” Are not many people today HOWL like dogs (Phil. 3:2) whenever they “see” or hear the truth in the real believers? [/quote]
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Posted: Oct 21, 2005 1:01:10 PM
Subject: John 14:6
Actually, these verses which state that " I am with you unto the consumation of all ages..., I will not leave you comfortless, I will come to you" are exactly the same as what I've been telling the bretheren in this forum before, that the Lord is our Good Pastor and those verses of the bible are testifying to the validity and authenticity of the reality of the existence of God. I do believe in those verses and it furthers fortified and inflame my faith in God. The Lord Jesus is indeed here and He does not leave us at any point in time. The only difference now in our time is that we do not see the Lord Jesus face to face whereas in the Second Coming of the Lord Jesus, everybody will see Him face to face since all of us then will be in spirit nature and in spirit world.   With respect to your view that the Lord Jesus is here now is of no resistance to my faith because I do believe in it that the Lord did, does, and will not leave us unto His Second Coming. Any discrepancy that you can see for now will just be a matter of little faith indifferecnce and the good thing that we can do is to pray to the Lord and ask for the Lord's good advice that He can give us for us to surpass this life in accordance to His will before us. God knows what is best for all of us so let us keep in believing that God is our Good Pastor all the time.   God bless you always brother. [b][i]fil3232003 &lt;bibletalk@purechristianity.org&gt;[/i][/b] wrote: [quote]Adlemi, At last you opened your heart, your SOUL, your real self, what is in your mind and feeling, when you said: Definitely, I am waiting for the Second Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ for it is this event which will be the fulfillment of the promises of the Lord to His flock or the elect and so on. Sad to state, I hope you take this as our sincere SPIRITUAL love for you that, still you do not know our Lord Jesus “by the revelation of the Father” (Matt. 16:16-17). How could you make our Lord Jesus remiss of His promises? Did He not promise “not to leave His Disciples comfortless,” in other words, to have a COMFORTER, by “coming back.”? Read this very carefully: Joh 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I WILL COME TO YOU.” Did not our Lord Jesus promise “to be with His disciples till the end of the world always?” Read this very carefully: Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. For you to wait for HIS SECOND COMING have made Him remiss of all these promises – a liar. We all know it is Lucifer turning himself to SATAN who is the liar and the father of lies. Have you read this? Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. Jesus Christ has come the SECOND TIME ALREADY! Read this very carefully: 2 Cor 3:17 Now the LORD is that SPIRIT: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. Have you read how to read the Holy Bible? Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: There is only ONE LORD: 1 Cor 8:6 But to us THERE IS BUT one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST, by whom are all things, and we by him. The SPIRIT is the Holy Spirit! Joh 7:39 (But this spake he of the SPIRIT, which they that believe on him should receive: for the HOLY GHOST was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.) Christ’s SECOND COMING is when we are truly “Born again” as the Disciples were at Pentecost. And, “where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.” The word of our Lord is “spirit” (John 6:63). “Liberty” does not refer to political or economic freedom, but from the use our intellect, feeling, and from erroneous beliefs of other people transferred to us. PLEASE, PLEASE, read the article: "LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE" http://www.purechristianity.org/index.php?module=articles&amp;func=display&amp;ptid=1&amp;aid=32 There are two kinds of LOVE: “spiritual” and “emotional.” You are talking of emotional love that is not based on the truth, but simply the dictate of the heart: Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? I have many more things to say to you... but the space is limited. Please read some articles in this website. Most of all, don’t forget to carefully read the following: Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. Mat 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. The opposite: 1 Cor 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. 20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom KNEW NOT GOD... Of course our “spiritual love” for you is more important than the “emotional” that Natural Man understand. [/quote]
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