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Sharing the truth in the word of God

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Posted Mar 06, 2007 at 1:06:30 PM
Subject: Sharing the truth in the word of God
Praise God, I have been following postings of our Brethren at different website forums and I witnessed how our Lord Jesus giving them the wisdom and perseverance in sharing the truth in HIs words. How I hurt when they are mocked, insulted and to the point of being banned. But how I feel the joy when the truth in the word is penetrating the soul of those being shared with and can't deny it. Brethren, just this morning, I witnessed that power.I want to share this to you and please visit [url=http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EndTimeMessageForum/message/4062]http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EndTimeMessageForum/message/4062[/url] and follow it downward. To our Brethren who are being tasked to do so without even being aware of it, I hope God will always make that urging burn and will not be quenched. To others, the intention of sharing this is not to offend anybody or to boast, I hope this will not be misinterpreted by those who do not believe our faith.
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Hernan777
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Posted: Mar 06, 2007 7:09:13 PM
What Christianity did we Inherit from our parents? Most of us were born within a family which professed the Catholic Apostolic Roman Religion, so since our childhood were taught of our parents to attend mass either every sunday or holy day; in addition, when we did commit a transgression we went to confession with a "priest", afterward, "for recovering the peace of God", we did repeat at random ordinary prayers without discerning what we did express and that was all… At present, being True God's Children, we do know that none of the former things followed to the Truth; and have this understanding for our Faith stands no more in the wisdom of men, but in the Power of God (1 Corinthians 2:1-16). Those teachings from our parents, which teachings they received from their's, are not Right before the Living God's Eyes ( 1Timothy 4:1-3; 1 Timothy 1:3-7; Ephesians 4:14-15); and it is on that wise for we must do the Will of God to please Him (John 7:17; Psalms 143:10; Matthew 6:10; Hebrews 13:20-21). How could we do His Will without knowing Him? We all, likewise any other human being, were Dead due the Sin even having been predestinated unto Salvation by God (Ephesians 2:1-10; Ephesians 1:3-5). But when it pleased God, He did manifest Himself to us making us Truly Free (John 8:32-36), through His Holy Spirit that has given us (2 Corinthians 3:17; Romans 8:14-16). Jesus Christ is the only one Way, the Truth and the Life (John 14:6); and we start to Live by knowing Him, for we transfer upon Him our loads (Matthew 11:28-30; 1 Peter 5:7). Now, being Children (Romans 8:9; Romans 8:16) we do know His Mysteries (Matthew 11:27; 1 Timothy 3:16; Isaiah 9:6; 1 John 5:20; Revelation 2:17); and Believe in His Promise (2 Peter 3:13; 1 John 2:25), which Promise shall we obtain fighting the more every day to keep ourselves away from the works we did being spiritually blinds; and we shall reach it persevering into His Way until the End (1 Peter 1:14-21; 1 Peter 4:1-5; 1 John 2:15-17; Matthew 24:13). We did receive from our parents a Christianity that is far off from the Genuine Doctrine which is taught in the True Church by the Holy Spirit. The main wrong subjects from Catholic Apostolic Roman (C.A.R.) doctrine are the following: * God is a "TRINITY" The term "Trinity" is find not within the Bible; for it was conceived by an heretic man named "Tertuliano" which was a member of the Montanist sect during the second century after Christ. The C.A.R. religion was the first in adopting this term to found its doctrine, which makes fast that "God is composed by three different persons, however there is just one True God". For a Living God's Genuine Son, God is not a "Trinity" neither a "person"; He is an only one Spirit who manifests Himself both in divers ways and times (John 4:24; Numbers 23:19; John 10:30; John 14:7-9; John 14:26; Acts 2:32-33; Genesis 16:7-13; Genesis 18:1-33; Genesis 32:24-30; Judges 13:1-25). For obtaining a better understanding from this Biblical ground basis it is recommended to search out: "Jesus Christ is God Who did manifest Himself into the flesh as a man". * To Worship or Venerate Images of any kind (jesus, virgin mary, saints and "saints") A Genuine Son of the Living God doesn't worship or venerate, by any means, images; he only worships the Lord Jesus Christ (kneeling down before Him) in Spirit and in Truth for He is the Unique and Everlasting God (Acts 17:22-31; John 4:24; John 20:28-29; 1 John 5:20; Romans 9:5; Hebrews 13:8; Ephesians 1:21), and only in His Name there is Salvation (Acts 2:38; and Acts 4:12). Anyone that kneels down before an image (even Jesus Christ's) calling himself a Christian, it is trespassing the First Commandment (Exodus 20:1-6; Matthew 22:36-38; Deuteronomy 27:15; 2 Corinthians 5:16). It is recommended to search out the Biblical Study: "Let us only worship to Jesus Christ, Who is the Living God". * The "Pope" is both "The Holy Father", "The High Priest" and "Jesus Christ's Vicarious" Such affirmations about "Pope" become Blasphemies due they are comparing an ordinary man with Jesus Christ, God manifested into the flesh. There is only One Holy Father even God (Matthew 23:9; Revelation 4:8); which must be also considered about High Priest or Pontiff (Hebrews 7:26-28 and Hebrews 8:1-4), therefore it is an Abomination before God to call a man on that way (Luke 16:15); in addition, it is a great Lie that such a man replaces to Jesus Christ on this world or that he has Jesus Christ's Power (Vicarious), for Jesus Christ's Spirit abides within all those who were Predestinated to be His Children, all of us which are meeting in His Genuine Church (John 16:12-14; Acts 2:37-39) until the END of this present evil world (Matthew 28:20). Let's also consider that "every man praying or prophesying having his head covered, dishonours to Jesus Christ" (1 Corinthians 11:4). * The Catholic Apostolic Roman (C.A.R.) is the Original Christian Religion The Holy Spirit teaches us that C.A.R. Religion is the biggest even the oldest sect among them which came out from the Original Christian Church, for it did spring out during the first centuries after Christ, formed by those who went out from Genuine Faith to follow another gospel (1 John 2:19; Galatians 1:7) full of doctrinal mistakes, because of that they become God's enemies (Galatians 1:8-9). * The C.A.R. Religion has a "Cast or lineage" of priests They are made priests according to man wisdom and can not get marry (1 Timothy 4:1-3). They are "authorized" to offer the daily sacrifice of the mass (Hebrews 10:11). These priests can not be Saved themselves neither can help to others to obtain Salvation (Matthew 23:15). * They mainly baptize babes Ourselves were baptized being babes, without knowledge of God; because of our short age (few days) we couldn't be Converted neither to choose to be baptized or not. It is also wrong to think that other persons ("godfather"-"godmother") can represent the babe before God, for nobody shall bear the iniquity of another person (Ezekiel 18:20; Deuteronomy 24:16). The True Baptism must be done when the person is in age of discretion (being at least an adolescent) with a full assurance of Faith (Hebrews 11:1; Hebrews 11:6 and Hebrews 10:19-22); in addition, the Baptism must be done by water immersion and calling upon the Name of Jesus Christ, for on that way we do receive the Gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38 and Acts 4:12). As for little children, they are holy until their Baptism whether just one of their parents is a Genuine Believer (1 Corinthians 7:14). It is recommended to search out the Biblical Study " The Baptism in our Glorious Lord Jesus Christ". * The Virgin Mary is our Mediator before God A Genuine Son of the Living God understands, through the Holy Spirit, that there is One Mediator between God and men, Jesus Christ our Lord (1 Timothy 2:5-6; Hebrews 9:14-15 and Hebrews 12:24) by whom we have now received the atonement (Romans 5:8-11). * God does not Chasten We as Genuine Children of God are Chastened by the Lord's Spirit that we amend our mistakes to perfect our holiness in the fear of God (2 Corinthians 7:1). Whosoever that calling himself a Christian is not Chastened by God, he is not worthy to be called a Son but a bastard, for to whom the Lord Loves He Chastens unto Salvation (Proverbs 3:11-12; 1 Corinthians 11:31-32; Hebrews 12:4-11; Romans 3:5-6; Revelation 3:19). Those who Do not love our Lord Jesus Christ, God shall punish them with Everlasting Destruction (2 Thessalonians 1:7-9), Excluded from His Presence, into Everlasting Fire, prepared for the devil and his angels. (Matthew 25:41; Revelation 20:12-15; Revelation 21:8; 1 Peter 4:17-18). * The Church is a Building The Genuine Church never means a building or place for assenbling, for Jesus Christ and all of us Saved by His Name are the Spiritual Temple, which is Jesus Christ's Mystic Body (Acts 17:24; Isaiah 66:1; John 2:19-22; 1 Corinthians 3:16-17; 1 Corinthians 6:19; 2 Corinthians 6:16; Ephesians 2:19-21). It is recommended to search out the Study: "The Genuine Church". * There is "Purgatory" or something like to an interposed place between this world and Heaven According to C.A.R. doctrine people who is not worthy to enter directly into Heaven go to that place. The Genuine Doctrine teaches us that after physical death there is no opportunity to be Saved if that spirit didn't obtain during his life the Justification through Jesus Christ (Luke 16:19-31; Revelation 3:14-16; Romans 5:9-10), being Born Again of both water and Holy Spirit (John 3:1-8), and on that wise to be partaker of the First Resurrection, that is the resurrection of our spirit which was dead in trespasses and sins in past time (Revelation 20:1-6; Ephesians 2:1-10) although, then it is necessary to endure unto the End to be Saved (Matthew 24:13). Right Now it is time for Salvation, while it is called "To Day" and not after physical death (Hebrews 3:12-15; 2 Corinthians 6:1-2). Whosoever that didn't accept to Jesus Christ during his physical life as his Unique God and Saviour, neither was Converted to Him, nor was Baptized in His Name, nor endured either unto the end of his physical life or till the Second Coming of the Lord, shall go to the Second Death Eternally (Hebrews 3:7-11; John 3:18; Revelation 20:10-15). * The C.A.R. people believe that Mary hadn't children of Joseph her husband Mary, our Sister in the Faith, was pre-elected of God (Isaiah 7:14) that she, being still virgin, should conceive of the Holy Spirit to bring forth our Saviour, without man (Luke 1:30-35; Matthew 1:18-25). But afterward she brought forth Jesus, she did consummate her Holy Marriage with Joseph (Matthew 1:25), bringing forth, as fruits, her genuine sons and doughters (Matthew 13:55-56; Luke 8:19-21). The C.A.R. through their erroneous teachings attempt to hide the former Biblical Truth saying that even the cousins were called "brothers" at that time; but, was a mother called mother?; is in the Scriptures written who were the parents of that "cousins"?. The explanation about this Lie is that if they shouldn't use it a great part of their followers should depart themselves from "faith", mainly women; all this was already Prophetized in Jeremiah's Book (44:15-27) wherein is described women's behaviour about "the queen of heaven" which became the main expression in several specific songs of the C.A.R. religion. * They both celebrate Christmas and commemorate Jesus Christ's Death and Resurrection every year As for "Christmas", there are two Studies of our Church and through both of them it was proved that "Jesus Christ is born unto them", according to their belief, when idolaters did celebrate "winter solstice"; this celebration date is an arrangement of themselves; in addition, they by doing Jesus Christ's figure are trespassing the First Commandment (Galatians 4:9-11; 2 Corinthians 5:16; John 4:24). As regards Jesus Christ's Death and Resurrection (Passover) there would not be a great Error about the Date; however none of them that commemorate was Born Again through Jesus Christ, otherwise should understand that Jesus Christ is our Passover and we do sacrifice it when the Genuine Baptism is done; and we pass by receiving His Holy Spirit from Death to Life (Revelation 1:17-18; 1 Corinthians 5:7-8; Romans 6:3-11; Acts 2:38 and Acts 4:12). * The C.A.R. say that they believe in God, nevertheless they do consult horoscopes, diviners, etc It happens to them likewise the Old Testament's israelites that drew near the Lord with their mouth and with their lips honoured Him, but their spirit were very far from Him, as it is described by the Word (Isaiah 29:13). All of them either that don't know the Living God (Deuteronomy 4:19-20) or having known Him forsook Him (1 Samuel 28:5-19) go to consult devils through diviners, fortune tellers, seers, etc and not to Jesus Christ Who is God Almighty, Omniscient and Omnipresent (Leviticus 19:31; Leviticus 20:6; Deuteronomy 18:10-14; Numbers 23:23; Isaiah 44:24-25; Isaiah 47:13-15; Micah 5:12; 1 Samuel 2:1-3; Isaiah 55:8-9; Isaiah 8:19; Acts 8:9-13; Acts 8:18-24; Acts 16:16-18 and Acts 19:18-20). The Scriptures affirm that all of them which practice these things shall go into the lake that burns with fire and brimstone (Isaiah 1:28; Isaiah 5:20-21; Revelation 21:8). Who did Change me in such a manner? Now that I am in the Way, the Truth and the Life (John 14:6) for the Will of God (Ephesians 1:5) both relatives and known people of mind ask me: Who did change you so much?; Why don't you attend mass anymore, being your family so Catholic?, etc. They ask me on that wise for they are still in Darkness, there is no Light in them (Isaiah 8:20) and they do err because don't know the Scriptures neither the Power of God (Matthew 22:29). All that changes which they are observing in me were done by the Holy Spirit, for there is none other spiritual being nor material thing that can do it (Ephesians 1:3-4; Philippians 1:6; 2 Corinthians 1:21-22). It is possible obtain Salvation only working by Faith (Galatians 3:11; Romans 1:17; James 2:17) for Wisdom is Justified of Her Children (Matthew 11:19; 1 Peter 2:7-10). We do know that all things Work Together for Good to them that Love Christ (Romans 8:28). 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Posted: Mar 12, 2007 11:52:13 PM
The following posts came from a forum that presently i am engaged with in sharing the Truth from GOD's revelations HE gave unto us. [u]Part 1:[/u] Mar 3, 2007, 01:16 AM #394 [b][i]blue[]ce [/i][/b] Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Metro Manila Just a clarification though. Our long discussion may have shifted some of my earlier position with our constant postings. My original posting has always been that James was the first leader of the early church, not Peter. I believe that whether Peter became bishop of Rome is not entirely relevant because that is not my main concern. However, due to the fact that I have committed myself to such then I shall continue my research and our discussion with regards to that particular topic. However, it remains that it is independent of my first and most important point that James was the leader of the early church. A claim that has not yet been refuted by you, Nicolai. [u]THE REPLY[/u] Mar 3, 2007, 05:32 PM #395 [b][i]nicolai_frank[/i] [/b] LOVE Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Siquijor I am so keen to know what is your understanding on evidence and how it is used by McBrien. It will affect this discussion. The statement that there is no EVIDENCE regarding the papacy of Peter is a big issue to me. For this reason, I am asking you to define what is EVIDENCE and how it is used in the reference you cited. I will not cite any refernce without you defining the word EVIDENCE. After we can settle this, we can proceed to the discussion whether there is really NO EVIDENCE. So please define it first. [u]ANOTHER REPLY FROM:[/u] [b][i]nicolai_frank [/i][/b] LOVE Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Siquijor Now, bluice would not defend his source. Bluice, you stated that Peter's papacy has no evidence. You cited McBrien, a Catholic writer to support this argument. I asked you to define what is EVIDENCE and now you evade. You want me to join with you in discussing a point which is a non-issue. The primacy of James is indefensible. You have no basis on that. I refuted all your arguments about this claim in the previous pages. In fact, this thread is about Peter's papacy. If you insist on James' primacy, I challenge you. Create another thread for that and let us have a separate discussion. Now, support your argument that Peter's papacy has no EVIDENCE. You can do that by defining EVIDENCE first. [u]MY REPLY with excerpts from purechristianity's revelations[/u] Mar 9, 2007, 02:09 PM #399 [i][b]almario38[/b][/i] Member [b]GOD's Words that HE commanded to be written absolutely revealed that >[/b] [u]Peter and Paul never considered themselves as head or above among the disciples.[/u] Paul never considered himself leader or head as to be above among the disciples: 1 CORINTHIANS 2:3-5 "And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling. And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power. That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God." Where now are the vaunted leadership, authority, control, and hold of the religious leaders over the laity? “Kingship” is Nicolaitanism that Jesus Christ hates: Rev. 2:6 “But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.” Rev. 2:15 “So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate.” Nicolaitanism is idolatry for the SOUL. The word NICOLAITANS comes from the ME., Ofr. NICOLAS; L. NICOLAUS; Gr. NIKOLAOS <nike, victory + laos, the people. Thus, victory over the people. (College Edition – Webster’s New World of the English Language) Unwittingly, religious leaders enjoy “victory” over the people in religious matters. With the kind of organizational set-up in religious sects, the leaders cannot help but occupy a position of esteem over the laity, the people. The practice sets a favorable atmosphere for idolizing the leaders of the organization, which the subjects equally enjoy. Unknowingly, both the subject and the object become victims of the sin of idolatry of even higher order. This time, people are the objects of idolatrous worship. God condemned Lucifer, the first to rob Him of this honor and glory. Peter, the apostle, believed to head the church founded by Christ and whose position the leaders of religious sects imagine to assume, warns of the malpractice, which in essence is Nicolaitanism: 1 Peter 5:3 “Neither as being lords over God’s heritage, but being ensamples to the flock.” The spiritual Church representing CHRISTIANITY in the 1st century should not be confused with the religious sects that make up CHRISTIANITY TODAY. [i]To be continued ........ [/i]
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Posted: Mar 16, 2007 9:13:43 PM
Dear brethren, Here is part 2 of this on going thread entitled "the papacy of peter questioned". Nicolai Frank (forum's thread name) is one of the steadfast roman catholic apologists with some of his cohorts such as miliardo and archimedes. This discussion was populated by people of different faiths in which the atheists are the most predominant. This thread started since august 17, 2006. The statistics to date was already with 248 replies and views of 2,886. The continuation opened up with his/her ((this poster is not revealing his/her gender for reason that is not known)) reply from the nicolaitan's issue that had been brought about by my reply on part 1. Mar 9, 2007, 03:37 PM #401 nicolai_frank LOVE The Nicolaitanes or Nicolaitans were a group of people mentioned twice in the book of Revelation in the New Testament. The church at Ephesus (Rev. 2:6) is commended for hating the "deeds" of the Nicolaitanes, and the church of Pergamos is blamed for having them who hold their "doctrines" (15). They were seemingly a class of professing Christians, who sought to introduce into the church a false freedom or licentiousness, thus abusing Paul's doctrine of grace (comp. 2 Pet. 2:15, 16, 19) or engaging in antinomianism, and were probably identical with those who held the "doctrine of Balaam" mentioned in Rev. 2:14. Balaam caused the Israelites to sin by inciting them to eat meat sacrificed to idols and to fornicate (Num. 25:1-2), two of the four restrictions placed upon Gentile converts to Christianity by the Council of Jerusalem (Acts 15:29). Several of the early church fathers, including Irenaeus, Epiphanius, and Theodoret mentioned this group, which began to grow rapidly in the 2nd century. According to their writings, the sect were followers of Nicholas, one of the Seven Deacons chosen to lead the early Church in Jerusalem. The Nicolaitans maintained that there must be a religious hierarchy to control the spiritual development of the common people; it is believed they were trying to set themselves up as priests in a two-class system – one that would give them absolute control over the laity (common people), who would be completely dependent upon them for all spiritual knowledge, guidance, and access to God. Like other followers of the Gnostic traditions, the Nicolaitanes sought hidden spiritual knowledge through mystical experiences. They believed that this knowledge alone was perfectly sufficient for salvation. They also taught that man's spiritual and physical natures are two completely separate things. This philosophy implied that they were free to commit sexual immorality and to overindulge themselves in any and every way. To demonstrate their convictions, the Nicolaitanes deliberately made lewdness and immoral behavior a distinguishing characteristic of their lifestyle. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolaitanes ******** Hierarchy is not evil per se. Nicoalaitans wanted to establish "hierarchy" to control SPIRITUAL DEVELOPMENT of the common people. The purpose was evil. This is not the case of the Catholic Church. The Church hierarchy does not intend to suppress spiritual development of the Catholic faithfuls. The hierarchy serves as guide for the believers. In a hierarchy, there must be a leader. Absence of which, there would never be a hierarchy. Read the Old Testament. God appointed Abraham, Moises, etc to lead the Israelites. Because they were appointed to lead, therefore, they were LEADERS. Because there were leaders, there was leadership. Because there was leadership, necessarily, there was HIERARCHY. [u][b]nicolai_frank [/b][/u] Mar 9, 2007, 03:37 PM #402 almario38 Member Oct 2006 GOD's stern warning !!!!!!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- again > Mar 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. Mar 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye. Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. [u][b]almario38[/b][/u] Mar 9, 2007, 03:53 PM #403 nicolai_frank LOVE The Catholic Church does not reject the Bible as Word of God. Only, the Catholic Church teaches that the Bible is not enough because there are many truths that were not written in the Bible. According to the Catholic teachings, these truths not found in the Bible can be found in the Church alone, being the pillar and foundation of truth, (1 Timothy 3:15), through the apostolic tradition. ********* 2 Thessalonians 13 Whereunto also he hath called you by our gospel, unto the purchasing of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 14 Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle. ********* [u][b]nicolai_frank [/b][/u] Mar 9, 2007, 03:53 PM #404 almario38 Member Let alone our Lord through His words what He means by “Cephas.” Joh 1:42 KJV “...And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone.” Cephas therefore indicates a “stone” to distinguish Simon Peter from Christ that signifies “rock,” a large mass of stone. 1 Cor 10:4 “And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.” Therefore, our Lord by saying, “That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church,” reveals the two distinct characters: “Peter,” called Cephas, means a stone, and “Rock” refers to the strong foundation upon which the Church is built Paul's revelation: 1 Cor 15:4 “And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: And that he was seen of Cephas (Simon Peter), then of the twelve.” And this is God’s warning: Isa 28:11 “For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. 12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.” [u][b]almario38[/b][/u] Mar 9, 2007, 03:56 PM #405 almario38 Member What traditions ? From human brain's or just from GOD's Words that HE commanded to be written only ? [u][b]almario38[/b][/u] Mar 9, 2007, 04:01 PM #406 almario38 Member Church founded by Christ Therefore which is the Church founded by Christ? Definitely it is not a sect or human organization. Rather it is the individual believer and their group thereof, who have satisfied these conditions: The first step to salvation – spiritual humility: Mat 18:3 “And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.” Designation after following the first step: Mat 5:3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.” Characteristics following the first step – endowment of divine knowledge and wisdom which was true even in the Old Testament: Mat 11:25 “At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.” Isa 28:9 KJV “Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.” The Church is the “household of God,” and never the sect or human organization. Eph 2:19 “...fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.” In the narrower sense, the Church refers to the individual believers as in: 1 Cor 3:16 “Know ye not that ye are the temple of God , and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?” The binding force that unites the members of the “household of God” is not the human doctrines that we hear from sects, but the revelation of the Holy Spirit of the spiritual message on the “letter” of the word: 1 Cor 2:12 “Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.” Although the chosen are in different places and have no way of communicating with each other, with the guidance of The Shepherd, Jesus Christ, they have a common understanding and perception of the word. We do not find this in religious sects where, in order for the members to have a common belief, the leaders impose a uniform doctrine to be followed. [u][b]almario38 [/b][/u] Mar 9, 2007, 04:04 PM #407 nicolai_frank LOVE Traditions sanctioned by God. Read 2 Thessalonians 3:14. ***** 14 Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle. ***** This passage proves that the Bible is not enough. Aside from it, there are the traditions taught by the apostles. Logically, these traditions cannot be found in organizations, sects and denominations that rejected all traditions. These traditions can only be found in the Church, the pillar and foundation of the truth, founded by Christ. [u][b]nicolai_frank [/b][/u] Mar 9, 2007, 04:11 PM #408 nicolai_frank LOVE 1. When we say Church, logically, it is an organization. 2. When we say organization, it is not the individual believer but rather a society of believers. This organization, the church, is the body of which Christ is the head. Colossians 1:18 The Saviour of this BODY is Christ himself. Ephesians 5:23 [u][b]nicolai_frank [/b][/u] Mar 9, 2007, 04:19 PM #409 almario38 Member The religious sects in our time All Christian sects claim to be the Church founded by Christ, and trace their routes in several ways like: 1. By incorporating the name Christ in the organization..... Church of Christ .... Church of Jesus Christ ...Assembly of Christ... Church of Christ of the Latter Day Saints... Warning : Mat 24:23 “Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before.” 2. By claiming possession of the relics or vestiges of the first century Church..... Claiming, “We have the wood and nails for the cross of Christ; bones of the saints of so and so,” and so on and so forth... Warning : 2 Cor 5:7 “For we walk by faith, not by sight:” 3. By extolling the name of Jesus Christ with wonders....Claiming, “The power of Christ is with us as evidenced by the different miracles.” Are these really ‘miracles” or just wonders? Miracles benefit the soul, while wonders the body. Miracles are superior to wonders as shown in the “serpent from the rod of Aaron swallowing all the serpents from the rod of the wise men of Pharaoh” (Exo.7:10-12) Warning : Mat 7:22 “Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me...” [God requires mutual identification or recognition.] The attraction of the sects is focused on the gratification of the senses. Another appeal is the psyche and feeling of the unsuspecting. All these are parts and parcel of the deception of the enemy. However, God’s revelation of the truth in His words exposes the abominable religious traditions and human precepts on which this attraction of the sects is centered. Jesus Christ warns: Mar 7:13 “Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.” Earthly prosperity and worldly adulation of religious leaders is a subterfuge of the enemy of God. 1. Justification for chapels, churches and cathedrals is made by comparing these with the temple built by Solomon, supposed to be the “house of the Lord.” 1 Kings 8:17 “And it was in the heart of David my father to build an house for the name of the LORD God of Israel . ” 1 Kings 8:13 “I have surely built thee an house to dwell in, a settled place for thee to abide in for ever.” Psa 134:1 “Behold, bless ye the LORD, all ye servants of the LORD, which by night stand in the house of the LORD.” Isa 2:3 “And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up ... to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths...”. Isa 56:7 “Even them will I...make them joyful in my house of prayer:...” Luk 19:46 “...It is written, My house is the house of prayer: but ye have made it a den of thieves.” Unmindful is that God is speaking in parables: Eze 20:49 “Then said I, Ah Lord GOD! they say of me, Doth he not speak parables?” And our Lord Jesus was prophesied to speak dark sayings of old: Psa 78:2 “I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old.” Therefore the literal meaning does not convey the spiritual message. The physical temple cannot be the “house of the Lord.” Taking the “letter” of the word would disqualify a person to be a “minister of the new testament.” 2 Cor 3:6 “Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.” To God the temple built by Solomon symbolizes the real believer as revealed to Paul, an outstanding “minister of the New testament.” Act 7:47 “But Solomon built him an house. 48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands...” 1 Cor 3:16 “Know ye not that ye are the temple of God , and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?” Temple , as a “place for prayer” symbolizing the real believer, connotes continues relationship with God as in: 1 Thes 5:17 “Pray without ceasing.” Look how our Lord deemphasized the generally accepted form of prayer and worship: Mat 6:5 “And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.” Chapels, churches, and cathedrals are places where members pay “respect to persons.” James 2:9 “But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.” To justify violation to this edict, religious leaders cite the “virtue of respect” in politics, social and other human activities. These are distinct from the spiritual relationship among the chosen in the eyes of God....Luk 22:25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors. 26 But ye shall not be so...” 2. The joy of being with the greater number of membership is in contrast to what was demonstrated by our Lord Himself. Jesus Christ in His entire ministry where multitudes followed Him, and in one instance He fed 5,000 and in another 4,000 men, only 120 truly believed in Him. These were all the people worthy to receive the Holy Spirit at Pentecost: Act 1:15 “And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,)” Act 2:1 “And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. :2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost...” 3. Recognition of sects for material prosperity like the establishment of schools, colleges, universities; and civic undertaking like home for the aged, and hospitals; all these are classified as religio-civic achievement. 4. For the claim of elitism of members, our Lord’s followers were of the opposite. The Jews mocked our Lord for being with straw men or plebeians. Never do we read in the four gospels and in the epistles where all these attractions are seen in the ministry of our Lord and His Apostles. [u][b]almario38[/b][/u] [i]to be continued and would try my best to present the beginnings to expose how the atheists contradict this papacy of peter [/i].....
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Are you fully persuaded (Romans 14:5) that preach the Genuine Gospel? This Meditation may be useful unto every Christian who is preaching, irrespective of his congregation’s name, in the sincere belief that serves the Lord Jesus Christ and helps to build His Church. But, is that right?. The first thing which must in an exclusive way be understood is that No person is the God’s Word Owner, but He delivers the Gift of the Holy Spirit according to his Own Will to those who were Predestinated to be Saved before the foundation of the world (Romans 8:29-30; Ephesians 1:5; Ephesians 1:11; Ephesians 2:10); those who being Converted by the Holy Spirit were Born Again through the Baptism in the Name of Jesus Christ (John 3:3-8; Acts 2:38; Acts 4:12), on this way may enter into Church’s Body. Within the Church, the Holy Spirit Anoints some of the members for Preaching, an example is Paul the Apostle (Galatians 1:11-24). Let’s consider that Jesus Christ being God is both Spirit and Holy (John 4:24; 2 Corinthians 5:16; 2 Corinthians 3:17; 1 Peter 1:15-16); thus through His Spirit began His Work in the Church the day of Pentecost (Acts 2-1:38) and even He is in Spirit performing the Good Work on His Children (chosen) until Jesus Christ’s Day; it is to say, unto the End of the world (Philippians 1:5-6; Ephesians 4:13-15; Matthew 28:20). His Word affirms that No Prophecy of the Scripture is of any private interpretation (2 Peter 1:20), because the Holy Spirit did Inspire His Sons for writing (Romans 8:14-16; 1 Corinthians 2:12); thus All Scripture is given by Inspiration of God and never came by the will of man (2 Timothy 3:16-17; 2 Peter 1:21). However, most christians preach not the Genuine Gospel, but “another gospel” (Galatians 1:6-9). Therefore whosoever that is preaching without the Guide of the Holy Spirit does not perceive that the things of the Spirit of God must be Spiritually Discerned (1 Corinthians 2:14-16). It is altogether impossible to know the will of God included in the Scriptures if the Power from the Holy Spirit has not been received to do it (John 16:7-15; Acts 1:4-8; Acts 2:38; Acts 4:12). Wherefore without Jesus Christ’s Spirit Guidance (1 Corinthians 2:16) that which is preaching is wrong (Error), so there shall never be Salvation for hearers (or readers) because those who on this wise preach are perverting Christ’s Gospel, being Fraudulent workers (2 Corinthians 11:13-15) due they make fast things which shall increase ungodliness unto hearers’ perdition (2 Timothy 2:14-18; 2 Timothy 4:3-4; Titus 1:14-16; Matthew 23:13; Matthew 23:15). Let who reads ask himself: Whom is the Lord referring in Matthew 7:22-23?. Is not He talking about of all those who pretend to be His workers, being actually deceitful workers for they preach devils’ doctrines instead the Lord Jesus Christ’s Gospel?. Let you compare Matthew 7:22-23 with Galatians 1:7-10. Do you know that Anathema means accursed?. The Lord through Paul Repeat it that we know His Sentence is Firm. Afterward you have Searched and Meditated the former let Examine those things you preach whether they are Jesus Christ’s Genuine Gospel, for he that gathereth not with Jesus Christ scattereth (Matthew 12:30; Mark 9:40; Luke 11:23) and he that scattereth is Antichrist ( 1 John 2:18-19; 1 John 4:1-6; 2 John 1:7; Matthew 24:4-5; Matthew 24:23-25; Luke 21:8; Mark 13:6) which is worthy of the Everlasting Fire for he is preaching a lie (Revelation 21:8; Luke 13:26-28; Matthew 22:11-14; Matthew 25:24-30; Matthew 25:41-46). Let you don’t be partaker of the Everlasting Punishment; but Repent yourself and straight go to Jesus Christ, who shall be merciful to Forgive you (1 John 1:7-10). A-men. http://www12.brinkster.com/jesusregresa [quote]From: almario1 <bibletalk@purechristianity.org> Reply-To: bibletalk@purechristianity.org To: bibletalk@purechristianity.org Subject: RE: Sharing the truth in the word of God Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 07:13:44 -0600 Dear brethren, Here is part 2 of this on going thread entitled "the papacy of peter questioned". Nicolai Frank (forum's thread name) is one of the steadfast roman catholic apologists with some of his cohorts such as miliardo and archimedes. This discussion was populated by people of different faiths in which the atheists are the most predominant. This thread started since august 17, 2006. The statistics to date was already with 248 replies and views of 2,886. The continuation opened up with his/her ((this poster is not revealing his/her gender for reason that is not known)) reply from the nicolaitan's issue that had been brought about by my reply on part 1. Mar 9, 2007, 03:37 PM #401 nicolai_frank LOVE The Nicolaitanes or Nicolaitans were a group of people mentioned twice in the book of Revelation in the New Testament. The church at Ephesus (Rev. 2:6) is commended for hating the "deeds" of the Nicolaitanes, and the church of Pergamos is blamed for having them who hold their "doctrines" (15). They were seemingly a class of professing Christians, who sought to introduce into the church a false freedom or licentiousness, thus abusing Paul's doctrine of grace (comp. 2 Pet. 2:15, 16, 19) or engaging in antinomianism, and were probably identical with those who held the "doctrine of Balaam" mentioned in Rev. 2:14. Balaam caused the Israelites to sin by inciting them to eat meat sacrificed to idols and to fornicate (Num. 25:1-2), two of the four restrictions placed upon Gentile converts to Christianity by the Council of Jerusalem (Acts 15:29). Several of the early church fathers, including Irenaeus, Epiphanius, and Theodoret mentioned this group, which began to grow rapidly in the 2nd century. According to their writings, the sect were followers of Nicholas, one of the Seven Deacons chosen to lead the early Church in Jerusalem. The Nicolaitans maintained that there must be a religious hierarchy to control the spiritual development of the common people; it is believed they were trying to set themselves up as priests in a two-class system – one that would give them absolute control over the laity (common people), who would be completely dependent upon them for all spiritual knowledge, guidance, and access to God. Like other followers of the Gnostic traditions, the Nicolaitanes sought hidden spiritual knowledge through mystical experiences. They believed that this knowledge alone was perfectly sufficient for salvation. They also taught that man's spiritual and physical natures are two completely separate things. This philosophy implied that they were free to commit sexual immorality and to overindulge themselves in any and every way. To demonstrate their convictions, the Nicolaitanes deliberately made lewdness and immoral behavior a distinguishing characteristic of their lifestyle. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolaitanes ******** Hierarchy is not evil per se. Nicoalaitans wanted to establish "hierarchy" to control SPIRITUAL DEVELOPMENT of the common people. The purpose was evil. This is not the case of the Catholic Church. The Church hierarchy does not intend to suppress spiritual development of the Catholic faithfuls. The hierarchy serves as guide for the believers. In a hierarchy, there must be a leader. Absence of which, there would never be a hierarchy. Read the Old Testament. God appointed Abraham, Moises, etc to lead the Israelites. Because they were appointed to lead, therefore, they were LEADERS. Because there were leaders, there was leadership. Because there was leadership, necessarily, there was HIERARCHY. nicolai_frank Mar 9, 2007, 03:37 PM #402 almario38 Member Oct 2006 GOD's stern warning !!!!!!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- again > Mar 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. Mar 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye. Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. almario38 Mar 9, 2007, 03:53 PM #403 nicolai_frank LOVE The Catholic Church does not reject the Bible as Word of God. Only, the Catholic Church teaches that the Bible is not enough because there are many truths that were not written in the Bible. According to the Catholic teachings, these truths not found in the Bible can be found in the Church alone, being the pillar and foundation of truth, (1 Timothy 3:15), through the apostolic tradition. ********* 2 Thessalonians 13 Whereunto also he hath called you by our gospel, unto the purchasing of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 14 Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle. ********* nicolai_frank Mar 9, 2007, 03:53 PM #404 almario38 Member Let alone our Lord through His words what He means by “Cephas.” Joh 1:42 KJV “...And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone.” Cephas therefore indicates a “stone” to distinguish Simon Peter from Christ that signifies “rock,” a large mass of stone. 1 Cor 10:4 “And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.” Therefore, our Lord by saying, “That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church,” reveals the two distinct characters: “Peter,” called Cephas, means a stone, and “Rock” refers to the strong foundation upon which the Church is built Paul's revelation: 1 Cor 15:4 “And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: And that he was seen of Cephas (Simon Peter), then of the twelve.” And this is God’s warning: Isa 28:11 “For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. 12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.” almario38 Mar 9, 2007, 03:56 PM #405 almario38 Member What traditions ? From human brain's or just from GOD's Words that HE commanded to be written only ? almario38 Mar 9, 2007, 04:01 PM #406 almario38 Member Church founded by Christ Therefore which is the Church founded by Christ? Definitely it is not a sect or human organization. Rather it is the individual believer and their group thereof, who have satisfied these conditions: The first step to salvation – spiritual humility: Mat 18:3 “And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.” Designation after following the first step: Mat 5:3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.” Characteristics following the first step – endowment of divine knowledge and wisdom which was true even in the Old Testament: Mat 11:25 “At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.” Isa 28:9 KJV “Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.” The Church is the “household of God,” and never the sect or human organization. Eph 2:19 “...fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: 22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.” In the narrower sense, the Church refers to the individual believers as in: 1 Cor 3:16 “Know ye not that ye are the temple of God , and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?” The binding force that unites the members of the “household of God” is not the human doctrines that we hear from sects, but the revelation of the Holy Spirit of the spiritual message on the “letter” of the word: 1 Cor 2:12 “Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.” Although the chosen are in different places and have no way of communicating with each other, with the guidance of The Shepherd, Jesus Christ, they have a common understanding and perception of the word. We do not find this in religious sects where, in order for the members to have a common belief, the leaders impose a uniform doctrine to be followed. almario38 Mar 9, 2007, 04:04 PM #407 nicolai_frank LOVE Traditions sanctioned by God. Read 2 Thessalonians 3:14. ***** 14 Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle. ***** This passage proves that the Bible is not enough. Aside from it, there are the traditions taught by the apostles. Logically, these traditions cannot be found in organizations, sects and denominations that rejected all traditions. These traditions can only be found in the Church, the pillar and foundation of the truth, founded by Christ. nicolai_frank Mar 9, 2007, 04:11 PM #408 nicolai_frank LOVE 1. When we say Church, logically, it is an organization. 2. When we say organization, it is not the individual believer but rather a society of believers. This organization, the church, is the body of which Christ is the head. Colossians 1:18 The Saviour of this BODY is Christ himself. Ephesians 5:23 nicolai_frank Mar 9, 2007, 04:19 PM #409 almario38 Member The religious sects in our time All Christian sects claim to be the Church founded by Christ, and trace their routes in several ways like: 1. By incorporating the name Christ in the organization..... Church of Christ .... Church of Jesus Christ ...Assembly of Christ... Church of Christ of the Latter Day Saints... Warning : Mat 24:23 “Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before.” 2. By claiming possession of the relics or vestiges of the first century Church..... Claiming, “We have the wood and nails for the cross of Christ; bones of the saints of so and so,” and so on and so forth... Warning : 2 Cor 5:7 “For we walk by faith, not by sight:” 3. By extolling the name of Jesus Christ with wonders....Claiming, “The power of Christ is with us as evidenced by the different miracles.” Are these really ‘miracles” or just wonders? Miracles benefit the soul, while wonders the body. Miracles are superior to wonders as shown in the “serpent from the rod of Aaron swallowing all the serpents from the rod of the wise men of Pharaoh” (Exo.7:10-12) Warning : Mat 7:22 “Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me...” [God requires mutual identification or recognition.] The attraction of the sects is focused on the gratification of the senses. Another appeal is the psyche and feeling of the unsuspecting. All these are parts and parcel of the deception of the enemy. However, God’s revelation of the truth in His words exposes the abominable religious traditions and human precepts on which this attraction of the sects is centered. Jesus Christ warns: Mar 7:13 “Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.” Earthly prosperity and worldly adulation of religious leaders is a subterfuge of the enemy of God. 1. Justification for chapels, churches and cathedrals is made by comparing these with the temple built by Solomon, supposed to be the “house of the Lord.” 1 Kings 8:17 “And it was in the heart of David my father to build an house for the name of the LORD God of Israel . ” 1 Kings 8:13 “I have surely built thee an house to dwell in, a settled place for thee to abide in for ever.” Psa 134:1 “Behold, bless ye the LORD, all ye servants of the LORD, which by night stand in the house of the LORD.” Isa 2:3 “And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up ... to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths...”. Isa 56:7 “Even them will I...make them joyful in my house of prayer:...” Luk 19:46 “...It is written, My house is the house of prayer: but ye have made it a den of thieves.” Unmindful is that God is speaking in parables: Eze 20:49 “Then said I, Ah Lord GOD! they say of me, Doth he not speak parables?” And our Lord Jesus was prophesied to speak dark sayings of old: Psa 78:2 “I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old.” Therefore the literal meaning does not convey the spiritual message. The physical temple cannot be the “house of the Lord.” Taking the “letter” of the word would disqualify a person to be a “minister of the new testament.” 2 Cor 3:6 “Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.” To God the temple built by Solomon symbolizes the real believer as revealed to Paul, an outstanding “minister of the New testament.” Act 7:47 “But Solomon built him an house. 48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands...” 1 Cor 3:16 “Know ye not that ye are the temple of God , and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?” Temple , as a “place for prayer” symbolizing the real believer, connotes continues relationship with God as in: 1 Thes 5:17 “Pray without ceasing.” Look how our Lord deemphasized the generally accepted form of prayer and worship: Mat 6:5 “And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.” Chapels, churches, and cathedrals are places where members pay “respect to persons.” James 2:9 “But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.” To justify violation to this edict, religious leaders cite the “virtue of respect” in politics, social and other human activities. These are distinct from the spiritual relationship among the chosen in the eyes of God....Luk 22:25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors. 26 But ye shall not be so...” 2. The joy of being with the greater number of membership is in contrast to what was demonstrated by our Lord Himself. Jesus Christ in His entire ministry where multitudes followed Him, and in one instance He fed 5,000 and in another 4,000 men, only 120 truly believed in Him. These were all the people worthy to receive the Holy Spirit at Pentecost: Act 1:15 “And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,)” Act 2:1 “And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. :2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost...” 3. Recognition of sects for material prosperity like the establishment of schools, colleges, universities; and civic undertaking like home for the aged, and hospitals; all these are classified as religio-civic achievement. 4. For the claim of elitism of members, our Lord’s followers were of the opposite. The Jews mocked our Lord for being with straw men or plebeians. Never do we read in the four gospels and in the epistles where all these attractions are seen in the ministry of our Lord and His Apostles. almario38 to be continued and would try my best to present the beginnings to expose how the atheists contradict this papacy of peter ..... [/quote] _________________________________________________________________ MSN Amor: busca tu ½ naranja http://latam.msn.com/amor/

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Here is one of the atheist keymaker's arguments (all in italics) concerning free will: Replies came from theists jmromano and la_flash and so far, the final one from me. Yesterday, 04:20 PM #55 jmromano Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Quote: [i][u]Originally Posted by keymaker[/u] Why didn't god just make everyone obey his will and still have free will since god is supposedly beyond logic anyway?[/i] [b]jmromano's reply[/b] (Boldface mine) I think it's because God wanted to give us a kind of "free will" which our finite minds will be capable of appreciating that we have it. Otherwise, if He gives us a free will of the kind that only He can understand, then I would say it's a "not-so-free will". (pardon the terminology). And may I add that if man seemed to have no free will at all because of God's foreknowledge that he will sin in the future, it's not because God suppressed it, but it is Satan who took that free will from man and turned him into a "slave to wickedness". If god knew that certain people were destined for hell then why create them in the first place, if you only created the people who were going to heaven then everyone would have free will and go to heaven. Does god want people to go to hell? My opinion is that God's purpose of creating humans is to extend his family. But Satan intervened and caused the fall of man. From that point on, things turned out differently from what God had originally planned. Today, 11:07 AM #57 la_flash The Forgotten... Apologist Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Oblivion/Fresnel Z Quote: [u][i]Originally Posted by keymaker[/i][/u] [i]Why didn't god just make everyone obey his will and still have free will since god is supposedly beyond logic anyway?[/i] [b]la_flash reply[/b] If god knew that certain people were destined for hell then why create them in the first place, if you only created the people who were going to heaven then everyone would have free will and go to heaven. Does god want people to go to hell? Recommended Reading: HARD QUESTIONS, REAL ANSWERS by Dr. William Lane Craig. It was shown there that free will and God's omniscience are not contradicting. I would like to post the gist of his arguments, but I don't have the luxury of time... Today, 12:01 PM #58 [b]almario38 Member[/b] Join Date: Oct 2006 free will > Perhaps, GOD with HIS omniscience knows the totality of a normal human being's free will - from headstart up to the end. HE just absolutely does not intervene with it or else there would be no more other beliefs, faiths, and religions that would come to exist that are not in line with HIM. Dear brethren, I am not sure of my reply whether it is of the flesh or just sprung out from my deceitful heart. Perhaps, it's about time that GOD's absolute Spiritual Truth from HIS Words HE let be written concerning a normal human being's free will be revealed upon us, the little children.
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