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Posted Aug 09, 2006 at 9:36:09 AM
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Brethren, I read that Adam was not deceived but Eve. How do we reconcile this with the following? Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
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Posted: Aug 09, 2006 8:46:17 PM
Man will go to any extreme to avoid saying, "I have sinned." Man today will blame the Devil ("the Devil made me do it") as Adam blamed God for giving him the woman (note Gen. 3:12). The woman, why she blamed the old snake. Man blames, and keeps blaming the Unconscious, the Subconscious, the hormones, etc. "The old Adam in me" is still used by many to blame God for their misfortunes. Doesn't work with God, Man cannot "pass the buck." I note that God put a "curse" upon the serpentkind and the ground (vs. 14, 17), but not upon the Woman nor the Man. Both were to be encluded in the possibility of redemption that was to be proffered by divine grace. for all mankind, and indeed for the entire cosmos (John 1:29, 3:16; Acts 3:18-21, 4:8-12; Rom. 8:18-23; Eph. 3:8-12; Heb. 5:9).

Hermeneutics is the science of interpretation, and Exegesis is the pratical appliance of the rules or principles of this science in determining the intended message of the author.

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Posted: Aug 09, 2006 8:46:43 PM
Man will go to any extreme to avoid saying, "I have sinned." Man today will blame the Devil ("the Devil made me do it") as Adam blamed God for giving him the woman (note Gen. 3:12). The woman, why she blamed the old snake. Man blames, and keeps blaming the Unconscious, the Subconscious, the hormones, etc. "The old Adam in me" is still used by many to blame God for their misfortunes. Doesn't work with God, Man cannot "pass the buck." I note that God put a "curse" upon the serpentkind and the ground (vs. 14, 17), but not upon the Woman nor the Man. Both were to be encluded in the possibility of redemption that was to be proffered by divine grace. for all mankind, and indeed for the entire cosmos (John 1:29, 3:16; Acts 3:18-21, 4:8-12; Rom. 8:18-23; Eph. 3:8-12; Heb. 5:9).

Hermeneutics is the science of interpretation, and Exegesis is the pratical appliance of the rules or principles of this science in determining the intended message of the author.

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Posted: Aug 11, 2006 9:33:17 AM
Fastpitch, This is what I read in the Holy Bible regarding divine knowledge and wisdom: On the reading the Holy Bible: Isa 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: 11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. 12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: [b]yet they would not hear[/b]. God’s basis for people deserving to receive divine knowledge and wisdom: Luk 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, [b]that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent[/b], and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; [u]for so it seemed good in thy sight[/u]. 2 Tir 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. Requirement: Jam 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. 6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. 7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. 8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways. I read the following together with your post: [size=18]“Hermeneutics is the science of interpretation, and Exegesis is the pratical appliance of the rules or principles of this science in determining the intended message of the author.”[/size] Never could I find human ways like, “Hermeneutics and Exegesis” on matters pertaining to God and His words; perhaps on books or manuscript authored by men. From the foregoing therefore, I don’t expect to know anything on the subject being discussed with these application. [size=12][/size]
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Posted: Aug 12, 2006 5:27:56 AM
Interesting observation....Must admit, I do not have divine knowledge; bearly made it through high school. Since Paul said to "study to present yourself approved unto God, a workman that needs not be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." I consider it a blessing to have run into someone of your wisdom and knowledge on the internet. Would like to know your divine knowledge of Matthew 25:31-46. Why did the "sheep," nor the "goats" know why they had or had not initiated benevolence to the "brethren?" Is this salvation by works? If not why not? You have quoted Isaiah 28:10. Is this not sarastic talk, done in monosyllables to make simplicity of the prophet's message ridiculous? Isaiah is represented as playing the part of the pedantic teacher treating the drunken priests, prophets, and other citizens of Judah and Jerusalem like stupid children. He doles out his lessons to those who would not hear by singing repetitious songs, rote method. Here in this text, the drunkards are making fun of Isaiah's attempts to penetrate their wine-added brains. They refused to comprehend that God was about to judge them. As we know, the Assyrians came in speaking a language they could not understand and slaughtered the Jews and took them into capitivity. Here is a lesson from the Bible, history, and archaeology. As you are aware, the apostle Paul paraphrased Isaiah 28:11 in 1 Corinthians 14:21. Paul uses it in the same way Isaiah meant it. The church at Corinth, in its mania for the "charisma" or gift of toungs (speaking in understandable foreign languages unknown to the speaker but miraculously empowered to do so by the Holy Spirit) was acting like a child. "With men of other toungs and other lips will I speak unto the people; and yet for all that will they will not hear me, saith the Lord." The Christians there clamored for this spectular and showy gift more than they did for prophecy which instructed. The church at Cornith is no longer. Lot of this going around today.... wouldn't you say?

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Posted: Aug 12, 2006 10:48:13 AM
[size=9]"Would like to know your divine knowledge of Matthew 25:31-46. Why did the "sheep," nor the "goats" know why they had or had not initiated benevolence to the "brethren?" Is this salvation by works? If not why not?" [/size] In Matt. 25:31-46 our Lord referred to “sheep and goats for the saved and the unsaved.” Our Lord Jesus symbolized by a Lamb: Joh 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the [size=18]Lamb of God[/size], which taketh away the sin of the world. expects the “sheep” : 1 Cor 2:15 But [size=18]he that is spiritual [/size]judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. to understand the meaning of the parable: Mar 4:34 But without a parable spake he not unto them: and [size=18]when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples[/size]. in His “spiritual language”: Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; [size=18]the flesh profiteth nothing[/size]: the [b]words[/b] that I speak unto you, [b]they are spirit[/b], and they are life. 2 Cor 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal. The “goats” (1 Cor. 2:14) 1 Cor 2:14 But the [color=blue]natural man [/color]receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because [color=red]they are spiritually discerned[/color]. are limited only to the “letter” of the word: [b]2 Cor 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; [color=blue]not of the letter[/color], [color=red]but of the spirit[/color]: for [color=blue]the letter killeth[/color], [color=red]but the spirit giveth life[/color]. [/b] definitely could not possibly understand what our Lord meant: Mat 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: [color=blue]because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. 14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: 15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. [/color] Therefore your question regarding [size=9]“Would like to know your divine knowledge of Matthew 25:31-46. Why did the "sheep," nor the "goats" know why they had or had not initiated benevolence to the "brethren?" Is this salvation by works? If not why not?”[/size] God answers the question in the following as our guide, revealing the two witnesses to the TRUTH (first witness -- “letter” of the word and the second witness -- the revelation of the Holy Spirit): 1 Cor 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, [b][size=12][color=red]but which the Holy Ghost teacheth[/color][/size][/b]; [size=18]comparing spiritual things with spiritual[/size]. As regards your question of salvation whether “by works or not,” God has this to say: Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a [size=18]man is justified by faith [/size]without the deeds of the law. Is “works” disregarded? Jam 2:17 [b][color=red]Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone[/color][/b]. At this point, the distinction between sheep and goats is drawn: For the sheep, Paul is a typical example. By humbling himself that he did NOT KNOW the God he was worshipping and defending in persecuting our Lord and His disciples: Act 9:5 And he said, [b]Who art thou, Lord[/b]? And the Lord said, [b]I am Jesus[/b] whom thou persecutest: 1 Joh 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son [size=18]Jesus Christ. This is the true God[/size], and eternal life. Paul was endowed FAITH, a gift from God: Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: transforming him from “goat” to “sheep” now he could understand the “language of the Lamb.” “Works” now has to be distinguished from how “goats” understand it which is only limited to the “letter” of the word from the “spiritual language” of the Lamb. Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink… The Natural Man understands this to be literal-physical, or by spiritualizing it, to do good works as anything that would benefit the body or physical life of people. [size=18]However, never did we see Paul and other Disciples of Christ performing this. Yet, surely, they were not subject to rebuke in the following:[/size] Jam 2:17 [color=red]Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.[/color] Therefore, “works” in the “language of the Lamb” is something that benefits the [color=red]SOUL[/color] instead of the [color=blue]BODY[/color] in view of the following: [b]2 Cor 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the [color=red]things which are not seen[/color]: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the [color=red]things which are not seen are eternal[/color]. 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Posted: Aug 12, 2006 6:09:10 PM
Interesting that you would compare the "goats" of Matthew 25 with the "natural man" of 1 Corinthians 2. Paul was rebuking the "natural man," or one who did not have the "mind of Christ" in the church at Cornith. Paul refers to the natural man in verse 7 as one who did not know the "mystery" or "wisdom" of God. Only the apostles knew this, for the mind of Christ was only promised to them. We know this by reading John 14:25-26. You, nor I would not know the mind of Christ because we were never with Him to hear direct revelation from his mouth. The apostles were for some three years. He would "bring to their remembrance" what He had said to them in private, by inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Note Peter's message in Acts 2:14 "harken to my words" as he preached the first gospel message. Did Peter preach in parables? No, is the answer. What is it about Acts 2:38 that you do not understand? Read Stephen's narration in Acts 7 as he rebukes the Jews. What was it that the Jew did not understand? Read Acts 7:51 for the answer. The Holy Spirit was causing these men to remember, or instant recall. Read again Luke 12:11-12: "And when they bring you (please note who the "you" is Jesus is speaking with) unto the synagogues, and unto the magistrates, and powers, take no thought how or what thing you shall answer, or what you shall say: For the Holy Spirit shall teach you in the same hour what you shall say." Sir, you cannot do this, because this manifestation of the Holy Spirit was never promised to you, a natural man. These men, apostles, had the "mind of Christ." You live in a dream world if you feel you have this Spiritual appointment. Can you heal the sick? cause the blind to see? the lame to walk? have you raised the dead? Why not? If not, you are a "natural man". Could the apostles? Yes. "And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following" (Mark 16:20). Men today are to "earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered" (Jude3). This means you and I. The natural man in the church at Corinth was a man like many today who have no idea how to interprete Scripture. This is why many have fallen for the teachings of John Calvin, a "natural man" who based his idea of salvation from misinterpreting Romans 9. From this theory, has come the "five points" of Calvinism formulated at the Synod of Dort in the Netherlands in 1618. Total Depravity, Unconditional Election, Limited Atonement, Irresistible Grace, Preservation of the Saints. This is not apostolic doctrine, Calvinism did not come from the "mind of Christ."

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Posted: Aug 13, 2006 4:18:52 PM
[color=darkblue]Fastpitch, As a spiritual sheep, I believe as regards the interpretation of the word of God, anything coming from man is not of God (Jer 17:5). This is what I believe: 1. God is speaking in parables or “spiritual things” (Ezek 20:49), and this refers to the words in the Holy Bible that are divinely inspired (2 Peter 1:21, 2 Tim. 3:16-17). 2. Jesus Christ was prophesied to speak parables and dark sayings old (Psa 78:2) 3. Jesus Christ did not speak except in parables. Therefore everything He said are parables (Mark 4:34) 4. Only Jesus Christ, not Peter, John, James, Paul, much more professing apostles are authorized to expound on the word of God that are in parables (Mark 4:34, 1 John 2:27) 5. The “letter” of the word, or literal meaning, “killeth.” It is the “spirit” of the word, or spiritual meaning benefiting the soul that “giveth life” (2 Cor. 3:6) 2 Cor 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; [size=18]not of the letter[/size], but of the spirit: [size=18]for the letter killeth[/size], but the spirit giveth life. 6. The “flesh” or body “profiteth nothing from the word” (John 6:63) Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; [size=18]the flesh profiteth nothing[/size]: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. 2 Cor 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal. 7. Human wisdom is condemned because it is inadequate and incompetent for the exposition of the truth or the “spirit” of the word (Jer. 17:5, 1 Cor. 1:19-21, 1 Cor. 3:18-20, Col. 2:8). Therefore THEOLOGY, of all kinds, which is man’s instrument in learning and interpreting the word of God, is condemned. This renders the following truth coming from the mouth of the Lord worthless: Luk 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight. 7. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today (Heb. 13:8). Jesus Christ is the truth (John 14:6). Therefore truth is the same yesterday and today. 8. Truth who is Jesus Christ requires two witnesses: a. First witness is Jesus Himself Joh 5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. Jesus is represented by the Word (Joh 1:14): b. Second witness is Father God. Father God promised Himself to be the inheritance (Ezek 44:28) to the priests (Ezek 44:15) now the chosen or spiritual sheep (1 Pet. 2:9). The frightening Father God (Exo 20:18-19) took the characteristics of a dove that the beneficiaries of the testament, the Disciples (now the chosen), received the HOLY GHOST at Pentecost. This is after the fulfillment of the testament of salvation at the death of Jesus in His role as FATHER (1 John 3:16 KJV, Joh 19:30). In view of the foregoing truth which I believe and accept, I don’t think we could have a common belief on the subject regarding the truth about first and last Adam.[/color][size=12][/size][size=12][/size][size=12][/size]
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Posted: Aug 13, 2006 9:43:41 PM
Yes, Jesus spoke in parables, but not all the time. Example: "Go teach, make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Teaching them to observe all thing whatsoever I have commanded you: and lo I am with you always." A man with a high school education can understand that. I am sure you are doing this ...right? The Bible does not interpret itself. While it is true that some texts refer to other texts, the determination of the existence and the significance of the reference is a matter of interpretation. That which exists in our mind is not the Word of God itself, but a concept of the Word of God. No one can say, "I don't interprete the Bible, I just read it and let the words speak for themselves." When anyone forms concepts (accurate or inaccurate) of that which is spoken of in the words of the Bible, interpretation is taking place. Hermeneutics must be a continuing science because the discipline of archaeology adds new possibilities, sheds new light on the meaning of words, furnishes new information concerning historical events. Example: Genesis 6:1-4. Who were the "sons of God/god/gods" who married the "daughters of men?" Sethites marrying Gentiles? Angels marrying ordinary mortals? Ancient tribal kings practicing eugenics for material purposes? (Cf. ANET, pp. 265ff.) I will say this: The danger of hermeneutics as in all interpretation. the human element is conveyed to the Word of God. A representative statement of this doctrine: "God moves upon man by the Holy Spirit who illuminates the mind and witnesses to the veracity of the divine verities. But the man upon whom the Spirit moves must be a partaker of the Spirit in regeneration. The Scriptures are most likely to be understood when a regenerated man trusts the Holy Spirit to illumine his mind as he interprets Scripture." (Rams, Hermeneutics, p. 18.) I believe this statment is a representation of your understanding. The doctrine of illumination is antithetical to the science of hermeneutics. The meaning of the Bible consists in the meaning of the words of the Bible. The devotional application of the message of the Bible is implicit in the meaning of the words of the Bible. The decision to obey or disobey has nothing to do with the understanding of the meaning of the comandment. Pious and devout ignorance is the enemy of sound hermeneutics, and has always been antagonistic to doctrinal truth. Example: The meaning of John 20: 21-23 with the Baptism of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost (Acts 2). What does this have to do with the Baptism of Matthew 3, since their is but "one baptism" (Eph 4:5). Without the principles of interpretation and the axioms of hermenutics and exegesis we have a religious world in mass confussion.

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Posted: Aug 13, 2006 11:54:50 PM
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Based on literal writing excerpts below, we came about these GOD's Words that HE let it be written illuminating our spirits here in contrast to what the author below persistently pitched on the purechristianity website. Colossians 2:8  [b]Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments[/b] of the world, and not after Christ. [url=http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/1Cr/1Cr001.html#20]1Cr 1:20[/url] Where is the [b]wise[/b]? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? [url=http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/1Cr/1Cr001.html#27]1Cr 1:27[/url] But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the [b]wise[/b]; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; [url=http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/1Cr/1Cr003.html#18]1Cr 3:18[/url] Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be [b]wise[/b] in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be [b]wise[/b]. [url=http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/1Cr/1Cr003.html#19]1Cr 3:19[/url] For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the [b]wise[/b] in their own craftiness. [url=http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/1Cr/1Cr003.html#20]1Cr 3:20[/url] And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the [b]wise[/b], that they are vain. brothers porong, amang, tony, peter sisters chayong, mary [b][i] Fastpitch <bibletalk@purechristianity.org>[/i][/b] wrote:[quote]A man with a high school education can understand that. I am sure you are doing this ...right? >.. Hermeneutics must be a continuing science because the discipline of archaeology adds new possibilities, sheds new light on the meaning of words, furnishes new information concerning historical events. Example: Genesis 6:1-4. Who were the "sons of God/god/gods" who married the "daughters of men?" Sethites marrying Gentiles? Angels marrying ordinary mortals? Ancient tribal kings practicing eugenics for material purposes? (Cf. ANET, pp. 265ff.) >>... I will say this: The danger of hermeneutics as in all interpretation. the human element is conveyed to the Word of God. >>>.... A representative statement of this doctrine: "God moves upon man by the Holy Spirit who illuminates the mind and witnesses to the veracity of the divine verities. But the man upon whom the Spirit moves must be a partaker of the Spirit in regeneration. The Scriptures are most likely to be understood when a regenerated man trusts the Holy Spirit to illumine his mind as he interprets Scripture." (Rams, Hermeneutics, p. 18.) I believe this statment is a representation of your understanding. >>>>..... The doctrine of illumination is antithetical to the science of hermeneutics. -------- ?? Hermeneutics is the science of interpretation, and Exegesis is the pratical appliance of the rules or principles of this science in determining the intended message of the author. ?? [/quote]  Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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Posted: Aug 14, 2006 7:07:18 AM
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Let us hear God in Mark 4:34 But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples [b][i][/i][/b] [b][i]Fastpitch <bibletalk@purechristianity.org>[/i][/b] wrote: [quote]Yes, Jesus spoke in parables, but not all the time. Example: "Go teach, make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. Teaching them to observe all thing whatsoever I have commanded you: and lo I am with you always." A man with a high school education can understand that. I am sure you are doing this ...right? The Bible does not interpret itself. While it is true that some texts refer to other texts, the determination of the existence and the significance of the reference is a matter of interpretation. That which exists in our mind is not the Word of God itself, but a concept of the Word of God. No one can say, "I don't interprete the Bible, I just read it and let the words speak for themselves." When anyone forms concepts (accurate or inaccurate) of that which is spoken of in the words of the Bible, interpretation is taking place. Hermeneutics must be a continuing science because the discipline of archaeology adds new possibilities, sheds new light on the meaning of words, furnishes new information concerning historical events. Example: Genesis 6:1-4. Who were the "sons of God/god/gods" who married the "daughters of men?" Sethites marrying Gentiles? Angels marrying ordinary mortals? Ancient tribal kings practicing eugenics for material purposes? (Cf. ANET, pp. 265ff.) I will say this: The danger of hermeneutics as in all interpretation. the human element is conveyed to the Word of God. A representative statement of this doctrine: "God moves upon man by the Holy Spirit who illuminates the mind and witnesses to the veracity of the divine verities. But the man upon whom the Spirit moves must be a partaker of the Spirit in regeneration. The Scriptures are most likely to be understood when a regenerated man trusts the Holy Spirit to illumine his mind as he interprets Scripture." (Rams, Hermeneutics, p. 18.) I believe this statment is a representation of your understanding. The doctrine of illumination is antithetical to the science of hermeneutics. The meaning of the Bible consists in the meaning of the words of the Bible. The devotional application of the message of the Bible is implicit in the meaning of the words of the Bible. The decision to obey or disobey has nothing to do with the understanding of the meaning of the comandment. Pious and devout ignorance is the enemy of sound hermeneutics, and has always been antagonistic to doctrinal truth. Example: The meaning of John 20: 21-23 with the Baptism of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost (Acts 2). What does this have to do with the Baptism of Matthew 3, since their is but "one baptism" (Eph 4:5). Without the principles of interpretation and the axioms of hermenutics and exegesis we have a religious world in mass confussion. -------- Hermeneutics is the science of interpretation, and Exegesis is the pratical appliance of the rules or principles of this science in determining the intended message of the author. [/quote]   Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. [url=http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=40791/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/handraisers]You're invited[/url] to try the new Yahoo! Mail Beta.
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Posted: Aug 14, 2006 7:41:53 AM
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Fastpitch, I noticed inconsistency in your posts. You said you are also unlearned. [size=18]“…Must admit, I do not have divine knowledge; bearly made it through high school.” But the way you write you are either a “pastor, priest, minister, theologian, Bible scholar.” What made me happy, however, is your reasoning in your posts are the proofs of the way the Natural Man – 1 corintians 2:14 – understands the word of God. I thank God for revealing to me all these which, before, I never saw because of spiritual blindness.
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Posted: Aug 14, 2006 3:59:00 PM
Fastpitch, Proverbs 30:4 "Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his NAME, and what is his son's NAME....?
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Fastpitch, [size=9]quote: "Hermeneutics must be a continuing science because the discipline of archaeology adds new possibilities, sheds new light on the meaning of words, furnishes new information concerning historical events." [/size][size=12][/size] I have yet to see the application of these instruments of studying and interpreting the word of God, hermeneutics and theology, in "passing the test for spirits." 1 Joh 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, [b]but try the spirits [/b]whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 1 Joh 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: [b]Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God[/b]: 1 Joh 4:3 And every spirit that [size=18]confesseth not [/size]that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. [size=12][/size] All Bible believing persons, "confess Jesus Christ is come in the flesh." Yet they cannot agree on our Lord true identity: * Some say, "Jesus is only a man and not God" * Others say, "Jesus is only a minor or mighty God for there is a Supreme or Almighty God" * Still others say, "Jesus Christ is the name of the Fathe and the Holy Spirit" * Many say, "Jesus is both God and man and He is the second person of the Trinity" I supposed to pass the test, we need to know WHO Jesus is/was before coming in the flesh? And, how is the True Christ distinguished from the Dragon who is a look-alike, as warned in: Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns [size=18]like a lamb[/size], and [b]he spake as a dragon[/b]. [size=12][/size]
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Posted: Aug 19, 2006 6:42:49 PM
Subject: About ADAM
Fastpitch,   [b]The natural man is as mentioned in;[/b]   1 Cor 2:14  "But the [b][u]natural man[/u][/b] receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."   [b] Jesus Christ promised the apostles that He will be with them [/b] [b]until the end of the world in; [/b]   Mat 28:20  "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."   [b]And who are these apostles, preachers and  teachers? Are not[/b] [b]these stated in;[/b]   1Timothy 2:5-6 "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time,Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity." [b][/b]  [b]A natural man can't receive things of the Spirit of God. And isn't it  [/b] [b]that the spiritual things of God are His spirit + His written words .[/b] [b][/b]  John 4:24 [b]" [u]GOD IS A SPIRIT[/u] and they that worship him must[/b] [b]worship him in [u]spirit and it truth."[/u][/b] [u][/u]  John 6:63 "[b][u]It is the spirit that quickeneth[/u][/b]; the flesh profiteth [b]nothing:[/b] [b][u]the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life[/u].[/b] [b][/b]  1Corinthians 14:37 "If any [b][u]man think himself to be a prophet, or [/u][/b] [b][u]spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you [/u][/b] [b][u]are the commandments of the Lord. [/u][/b]   Ephsians 6:17 "And take [b][u]the helmet of salvation[/u][/b], and the sword of the Spirit, [b][u]which is the word of God[/u][/b]:   Romans 7:14 "For we know that [b][u]the law is spiritual[/u][/b]: but I am carnal, sold under sin.   [b]Natural man do not really trust the written words of God[/b] [b]even they are just a glance distant from them. They are just [/b] [b]passing [/b][b]before their eyes because they are spiritually discerned[/b] [b]and not written in their hearts. [/b] [b]This is the very reason why they are still looking ways/explanations[/b] [b]apart fom the word itself. Man solution is to be justified and or must [/b] [b]satisfied [/b][b]the intellect [/b][b]and senses when it comes to the meaning [/b][b]of the [/b] [b]written words [/b][b]which is [/b][b]contrary to;[/b]     Jeremiah 31:33 "But this shall be the covenant that I will make. After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34And they shall TEACH no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, KNOW the LORD: for they shall all KNOW me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD...".        [b]Am I reading you right in regards to mind of christ that you said [/b] [b]only promised to apostles? D[/b][b]oes this [/b][b]mean with the death of the [/b] [b]apostles, the mind of Christ [/b][b]is not [/b][b]applicable and or available [/b] [b]anymore to anyone now a day? [/b] [b]If the mind of Chirst [/b][b]is only for the apostles(John, Peter and et al) , [/b] [b]do you think everyone will not able to know the will of God after [/b] [b]them. [/b][b] Is this [/b][b]tantamount to [/b][b]saying that everyone now is doomed [/b] [b]since the mind of christ includes [/b][b]promise of [/b][b]salvation since it  [/b][b]is only [/b] [b]known and or intended to the [/b][b]apostles(John, Peter and et al)?[/b] [b][/b]  [b]If this is so, this will also contradict;[/b] [b][/b]  1Timothy 2:5-6 "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time,Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity."   [b]With the peceding verse - preachers, apostles and teachers speak [/b] [b]the truth about Christ and lie not. Therefore, this is for all who have these [/b] [b]attributes and t[/b][b]his is not only during the time [/b][b]it was mentioned or else [/b] [b]this is again contrary to;[/b] [b][/b]  Matthew 5:18 "For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."   Hebrews 13:8 "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever."   [b]Please be reminded that[/b]   Proverbs 30:5 "Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him."   Psalm 19:7 "[b][u]The law is perfect[/u][/b], [b]converting the soul: the testimony of the [/b] [b]Lord is sure, making wise the simple." [/b]   [b]Is it not perfect means flawless or faultless but why such contradictions?[/b] [b]Is it because the literal meaning of the words of God is the one taken?[/b] [b][/b]  [b]Is there a chance that Lord Jesus Christ will contradict Himself when it is[/b] [b]as written;[/b]   John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and [b][u]the Word was God[/u][/b]."   John 1:14 "[b][u]And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us[/u][/b], (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."   1 Timothy 3:16 "[b][u]And without controversy great [/u][/b] [b][u]is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh[/u][/b], justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."   1 John 5:20 "And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, [b][u]even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.[/u][/b] [b][u][/u][/b]  Matthew 1:23 "[url=mk:@MSITStore:C:Documents%20and%20SettingsArt.BargaMy%20Documentskjvkjv.chm::/B23C007.htm#V14]Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, [/url] and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."   Acts 20:28 "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which [b][u]the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, [/u][/b] [b][u]which he hath purchased with his own blood."[/u][/b] [b][u][/u][/b]  Philippians 3:20 "For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we  look for [b][u]the Saviour: the Lord Jesus Christ:"[/u][/b] [b][u][/u][/b]  Isaiah 45:21 "Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? [b][u]have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; [/u][/b] [b][u]a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me."[/u][/b]   Genesis 17:7 "And I will establish my [b]covenant[/b] between [b]me and thee [/b] [b]and thy seed [/b][b]after thee[/b] in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee."   "Ephesian 1:16 "In whom also we have obtained an [b][u]inheritance[/u][/b], [b][u]being predestinated[/u][/b] according to the [b]purpose of him[/b] who worketh all things after [b]the counsel of his own will:"[/b]   Deut 21:23"[b]His body[/b] shall not remain all night upon the tree[b],[/b] but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; ( [url=mk:@MSITStore:C:Documents and Settingsart.bargaMy DocumentsART -Documentskjvkjv.chm::/B48C003.htm#V13]for he that is hanged is accursed of God[/url];) [b]that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for [/b] [b]an inheritance." [/b]   Hebrews 9:16 [b]"For where a [u]testament[/u] is, [u]there must also of necessity [/u][/b] [b][u]be the death of the testator."[/u][/b]   Hebrews 9:17 "[b]For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is [/b] [b]of no strength at all while the testator liveth."[/b]   Psalms 86:10 "For thou art great, and doest wondrous things: thou art God [b]alone[/b]."   1 Corinthians 8:4 "...and that there is [b]none other God but one[/b]."   1 Corinthians 8:6 "But to us there is but [b]one God[/b], [u]the Father[/u], of whom are all things, and we in him; and [b]one Lord[/b] [u]Jesus Christ[/u], by whom are all things, and we by him."   Mark 12:29 "And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; [b][u]The LORD our God is one LORD[/u][/b]:"   Deuteronomy 6:4 [i]"[/i]Hear, O Israel: [b][u]The LORD our God is one LORD[/u][/b]" [b][/b]  [b]Thus the testing of spirit given on; [/b]   1John 4:1-4 [b][/b]  4:1 "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world." 4:2 "Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:" 4:3 "And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4:4 "[b]Ye are of God, little children,[/b] and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.   The true recognition of God as written;   Matthew 16:13-17   16:13  "When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? " 16:14 "And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.  16:15 "He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16:17 "And Jesus answered and said unto him, [b][u]Blessed art thou, [/u][/b] [b][u]Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven[/u][/b]. [b][/b]  [b]Yes, these are the children of God to whom He teaches knowledge in;[/b] [b][/b]  Isaiah 28:9 "Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? [b][u]them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.[/u][/b] [b][u][/u][/b]  [b]And the word of God as mentioned;[/b] [b][/b]  Isaiah 28:13 "[b]But [u]the word of the LORD[/u] was unto them precept upon precept, [/b] [b]precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there [/b] [b]a little; [u]that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken."[/u][/b] [b][u][/u][/b]  [b]Also, through the guidance of His spirit that one can only divide rightly the word of truth as it is written;[/b]   2 Timothy 2:15[b] "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to [/b] [b]be ashamed, [/b][b][u]rightly dividing the word of truth."[/u][/b]   [b]That is by trusting the Lord and asking Him without a doubt as written on;[/b]   James 1:5-6 " [b]If any of you lack wisdom[/b], let him [b][u]ask of God[/u][/b], that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not, and [b][u]it shall be given him[/u][/b]. But [b][u]let him ask in faith, nothing wavering[/u].[/b] For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.."    [b]Our brethren can engage you on unending arguments with what you a[/b][b]re saying, [/b][b]but we [/b] [b]do not want to do that. [/b][b] [/b][b]If you read our statement [/b][b]of faith, you will have an idea what we [/b] [b][/b][b]are on this website. And if our statement of faith does not coincide with yours,  [/b][b]It is futile to [/b] [b]continue conferring with you about word of God. [/b][b] [/b]   [b]Your spirit is different from ours and we are already at peace with what we have. [/b] [b]You can never sway us anymore to your kind of spirit. You had your time and [/b] [b]space on our website and I think that is fair enough. [/b][b] There is nothing personal and [/b] [b]no offense is intended, [/b][b]please you just let us continue with our spiritual sharing. [/b] [b]Our spiritual walk is [/b][b]being interrupted whenever a kindred of you astray on this website. [/b] [b]We can only [/b][b]allow you limited [/b][b]posting in sharing your kind of spirit so we can proceed[/b] [b]with our spiritual walk.[/b] [b][/b]  [b]I and some of my brethren may not know about hermeneutics and exegenesis because [/b] [b]we only trust the written [/b][b]words of God and the revelations He gives on them no matter [/b] [b]how long is the wait.   [/b]   [b]Anyway, thank you for the visit, we were shaken from slumber that [/b][b]set for quite sometime.[/b] [b][/b]  ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fastpitch" <bibletalk@purechristianity.org ([email]bibletalk@purechristianity.org[/email])> To: <bibletalk@purechristianity.org ([email]bibletalk@purechristianity.org[/email])> Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2006 1:28 PM Subject: RE: About ADAM [quote] Interesting that you would compare the "goats" of Matthew 25 with the "natural man" of 1 Corinthians 2. Paul was rebuking the "natural man," or one who did not have the "mind of Christ" in the church at Cornith. Paul refers to the natural man in verse 7 as one who did not know the "mystery" or "wisdom" of God. Only the apostles knew this, for the mind of Christ was only promised to them. We know this by reading John 14:25-26. You, nor I would not know the mind of Christ because we were never with Him to hear direct revelation from his mouth. The apostles were for some three years. He would "bring to their remembrance" what He had said to them in private, by inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Note Peter's message in Acts 2:14 "harken to my words" as he preached the first gospel message. Did Peter preach in parables? No, is the answer. What is it  about Acts 2:38 that you do not understand? Read Stephen's narration in Acts 7 as he rebukes the Jews. What was it that the Jew did not understand? Read Acts 7:51 for the answer. The Holy Spirit was causing these men to remember, or instant recall. Read again Luke 12:11-12: "And when they bring you (please note who the "you" is Jesus is speaking with) unto the synagogues, and unto the magistrates, and powers, take no thought how or what thing you shall answer, or what you shall say: For the Holy Spirit shall teach you in the same hour what you shall say." Sir, you cannot do this, because this manifestation of the Holy Spirit was never promised to you, a natural man. These men, apostles, had the "mind of Christ." You live in a dream world if you feel you have this Spiritual appointment. Can you heal the sick? cause the blind to see? the lame to walk? have you raised the dead? Why not? If not, you are a "natural man". Could the apostles? Yes. "And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following" (Mark 16:20). Men today are to "earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered" (Jude3). This means you and I. The natural man in the church at Corinth was a man like many today who have no idea how to interprete Scripture. This is why many have fallen for the teachings of John Calvin, a "natural man" who based his idea of salvation from misinterpreting Romans 9. From this theory, has come the "five points" of Calvinism formulated at the Synod of Dort in the Netherlands in 1618. Total Depravity, Unconditional Election, Limited Atonement, Irresistible Grace, Preservation of the Saints. This is not apostolic doctrine, Calvinism did not come from the "mind of Christ." -------- Hermeneutics is the science of interpretation, and Exegesis is the pratical appliance of the rules or principles of this science in determining the intended message of the author.
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Posted: Aug 20, 2006 11:22:38 PM
art.barga, In your responce you have quoted many Scriptures. You have quoted from men, who, in the New Testament wrote these words down for men like you and me to know the "mind of Christ." The only thing that you and I know about Jesus Christ comes from the "eye witnesses" John 15:26-27. I would ask: what "new revelation" has the Holy Spirit revealed to you? What have you heard, to be written down that is inspired? Do we take this inspiration that you (since you 'feel' that have the mind of Christ) have, and insert your revelation behind the maps in our Bibles? As you know, Joseph Smith had a "revelation," and The Book of Mormon is now with man. Are we to believe that the angel Gabriel dictated the Qu'ran to Mohammed? Jimmy Swaggart said "he had the mind of Christ." The pedophile priests in the Catholic church 'felt' they had "the mind of Christ. Why even Mel Gibson was quoted: "the Holy Spirit guiden him in the movie, "The Passion Of The Christ." Will we now have 28 letters in the New Testament? If so, then we must admit that the words of John in Revelation 21:18 comes from a false prophet, for John wrote: "Not to add or take away from the words of these prophecy" (verses 18-19). What are we to infer from John 20:31? "But these are written, that you might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you might have life through his name." Now, since you have "the mind of Christ," would you explain to one who bearly made it through high school the meaning of John 20:21-23? I ask this, because of John's inspiration in his book, chapter 7, verses 38- 39. Since you have "the mind of Christ," I know you will not have to look at what John wrote, but for the benefit of those reading this forum, who are "uninspired" as I, John Wrote: "He that beleves on me, as the scripture has said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. But this spoke he (Jesus) of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Spirit was not yet given; because Jesus was not yet glorified." As I understand, His "glorifiction" came after his ascension, noting John 12:16; Hebrews 9:12. The above being true, and the Holy Spirit did not "come" until Pentecost. What is the significance of John 20:22? "And when he had said this, he breathed on THEM, and said unto THEM, RECEIVE YOU (apostles) THE HOLY SPIRIT." The above happened on the evening of His resurrection. We read of the events of Pentecost some 40 days later. I have always wanted to ask a man with the "mind of Christ," to explain this to me. For the benefit of us, who are biblically illiterate, would you please explain? Rather confusing since there is "One Lord, one faith, one baptism" (Eph. 4:5). Thank you for your responce.

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Posted: Aug 21, 2006 2:14:37 PM
Subject: About ADAM
Fastpitch,   [b]I think you are not reading me right with my plea- to please let us alone. Because no matter[/b] [b]how long will be our exchanges there won't be a meeting of spirit. Your language is different[/b] [b]from ours. A question being answered with questions? You believed those instrument of man[/b] [b]in getting the meaning the word of God and we only believe the word of God is the only authority[/b] [b]to give its meaning.[/b]   <?XML:NAMESPACE PREFIX = O />Ephesians 5:26 " That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word.   "Ezekiel 36:25 "Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.   [b]Proof that we will never understand each other are those qouted verses, If we speak the same language[/b] [b]you have gotten some spiritual message from those verses because the commandment in Isaiah 28:10 was[/b] [b]followed.[/b] Isaiah 28:10 "For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little."      John 20:31 "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name. Revelation 19:11 "And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.   Revelation 19:12 "His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and [b][u]he had a name [/u][/b] [b][u]written, that no man knew, but he himself.[/u][/b]   Revelation 19:13 "And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and [b][u]his name is called The Word of God.[/u][/b]   Micah 4:5 "[b][u]For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of [/u][/b] [b][u]the LORD our God for ever and ever."[/u][/b]   1 Corinthians 1:10 “[b][u]Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord jesus Christ, that ye [/u][/b] [b][u]all speak [/u][/b][b][u]the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly [/u][/b] [b][u]joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment[/u][/b].   1 Corinthians 12:3” Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [b][u]that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />[/u][/b] Revelation 22:4 “And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads. John 6:63 "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: [b][u]the words that I speak unto you, [/u][/b] [b][u]they are spirit, and they are life.[/u][/b] [b][u][/u][/b]  [b]Did you get the spritual message? If you don't, please I am repeating my plea to let us alone.[/b] [b][/b]  John 3:3 "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, [b][u]Except a man be born again, [/u][/b] [b][u]he cannot see the kingdom of God.[/u][/b] [b][u][/u][/b]  John 3:5 "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, [b][u]Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, [/u][/b] [b][u]he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.[/u][/b]     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fastpitch" <bibletalk@purechristianity.org ([email]bibletalk@purechristianity.org[/email])> To: <bibletalk@purechristianity.org ([email]bibletalk@purechristianity.org[/email])> Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 6:55 PM Subject: RE: About ADAM [quote] art.barga, In your responce you have quoted many Scriptures. You have quoted from men, who, in the New Testament wrote these words down for men like you and me to know the "mind of Christ." The only thing that you and I know about Jesus Christ comes from the "eye witnesses" John 15:26-27. I would ask: what "new revelation" has the Holy Spirit revealed to you? What have you heard, to be written down that is inspired? Do we take this inspiration that you (since you 'feel' that have the mind of Christ) have, and insert your revelation behind the maps in our Bibles? As you know, Joseph Smith had a "revelation," and The Book of Mormon is  now with man. Are we to believe that the angel Gabriel dictated the Qu'ran to Mohammed? Jimmy Swaggart said "he had the mind of Christ." The pedophile priests in the Catholic church 'felt' they had "the mind of Christ. Why even Mel Gibson was quoted: "the Holy Spirit guiden him in the movie, "The Passion Of The Christ." Will we now have 28 letters in the New Testament? If so, then we must admit that the words of John in Revelation 21:18 comes from a false prophet, for John wrote: "Not to add or take away from the words of these prophecy" (verses 18-19). What are we to infer from John 20:31? "But these are written, that you might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you might have life through his name." Now, since you have "the mind of Christ," would you explain to one who bearly made it through high school the meaning of John 20:21-23? I ask this, because of John's inspiration in his book, chapter 7, verses 38- 39. Since you have "the mind of Christ," I know you will not have to look at what John wrote, but for the benefit of those reading this forum, who are "uninspired" as I, John Wrote: "He that beleves on me, as the scripture has said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. But this spoke he (Jesus) of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Spirit was not yet given; because Jesus was not yet glorified." As I understand, His "glorifiction" came after his ascension, noting John 12:16; Hebrews 9:12. The above being true, and the Holy Spirit did not "come" until Pentecost. What is the significance of John 20:22? "And when he had said this, he breathed on THEM, and said unto THEM, RECEIVE YOU (apostles) THE HOLY SPIRIT." The above happened on the evening of His resurrection. We read of the events of Pentecost some 40 days later. I have always wanted to ask a man with the "mind of Christ," to explain this to me. For the benefit of us, who are biblically illiterate, would you please explain? Rather confusing since there is "One Lord, one faith, one baptism" (Eph. 4:5). Thank you for your responce. -------- Hermeneutics is the science of interpretation, and Exegesis is the pratical appliance of the rules or principles of this science in determining the intended message of the author.
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