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Regarding our responsibility

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Posted Jun 02, 2006 at 3:14:18 PM
Subject: Regarding our responsibility
I am reading the following verses and have difficulty reconciling them: Here, our Lord requires us to depend on Him completely: Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: [color=red]FOR WITHOUT ME YE CAN DO NOTHING.[/color] But here, our Lord Himself seems to convey our responsibility for salvation: Rev 3:5 [color=blue]He that overcometh[/color], the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. Paul also received this revelation: Phi 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, [color=blue]work out your own salvation[/color] with fear and trembling. I look forward to God’s clarification on the matter.
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sandra3102
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Posted: Jun 08, 2006 7:59:27 AM
I myself have been pondering on this question before and now after I found the truth. Before, I just did not mind the seemingly contradictory verses for I completely relied on my preachers of their admonition to just strengthen my faith. Now I found, and I hope it is God’s revelation, that the first move belongs to me. What I mean is to humble myself and accept God’s revelation and drop whatever I received as man’s explanation, more particularly the literal meaning, of the word. It is only then that I realized gradual understanding of the message behind the letter. I think this is what is meant by “work out your own salvation” for God cannot do this for us. It is only after the foregoing humility that God has seen in us, giving Him a free hand to work in our life, that what our Lord said, “Apart from Him we can do nothing” begin to apply. And “to overcome,” our Lord must be referring to our continuous dependence on Him regarding the spiritual aspect of our life.
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art.barga
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Posted: Jun 17, 2006 9:04:18 PM
[b]A supplement to the brethren's posting[/b].   Philippians 2:12 "Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much  more in my absence, [b][u]work [/u][/b] [b][u]out your own  salvation with fear and trembling."[/u][/b]   [b]It is really the humbleness and the will to convert one self like a babe[/b] [b]As written:[/b]   Psalms 2:11"[b][u]Serve the LORD with fear[/u][/b], and [b][u]rejoice with trembling[/u][/b]"   Proverbs 8:13 "The [b][u]fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride[/u][/b], and  arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I  hate."   Luke 10:21 "In that hour Jesus [b][u]rejoiced in spirit[/u][/b], and  said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven  and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and [b][u]hast  revealed them unto babes[/u][/b]: even so, Father; for  so it seemed good in thy sight."   [b]Hating evil pride,  having the will to convert [/b][b]and be as babes [/b][b] you will be in [/b] [b]the kingdom of heaven as [/b][b]written:[/b]   Matthew 18:3 "And said, Verily I say unto you, [b]Except ye be converted, and [/b] [b]become as little children, [u]ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven[/u][/b][u].[/u]   [b]Upon conversion, you are now given the understanding of the mystery of the [/b] [b]kingdom[/b][b] of God[/b][b] and comes with it the knowledge and disclosure of the parables [/b] [b]behind the literal words of God according to:[/b]   Mark 4:11 "And he said unto them, [b][u]Unto you it is given to know the mystery[/u][/b][b][u] [b]of the kingdom of God:[/b][/u][/b] but[b][u] unto them that are without, all these things are[/u][/b][b][u] [b]done in parables:[/b][/u][/b]   [b]Those who do not have Christ can not be fruitful and can do nothing with the spiritual [/b] [b]realm. It is because those words are still in parables, [/b][b]but  you as among [/b][b]converted[/b] [b]that completely trusting God will be [/b][b]given the spiritual understanding on His words [/b] [b]as written:[/b]   Jeremiah 31:33 "But this shall be the covenant that I will make..After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34And they shall TEACH no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, KNOW the LORD: for they shall all KNOW me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD...". James 1:5-6 " If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not, and it shall be given him. But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.."   [b]You can not bring forth much fruit without God because the kingdom [/b] [b]of heaven/God is as written:[/b]   1 Kings 8:39 "[b][u]Then hear thou in heaven thy dwelling place[/u][/b], and forgive, and do, and give to every man according to his ways, whose heart thou knowest; (for thou, even thou only, knowest the hearts of all the children of men;)   [b]And the kingdom of God is:[/b]   Rom. 14:17 "[b][u]For the kingdom of God[/u][/b] [b]is not meat and drink[/b]; but [b][u]righteousness[/u][/b], and [b][u]peace[/u][/b][b], [/b]and [b][u]joy in the Holy Ghost[/u][/b].   "Galatians 5:22[b] “[/b]But the [b][u]fruit of the Spirit[/u][/b][b][u] is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, [/u][/b] [b][u]goodness, faith,[/u][/b] 23 [b][u]Meekness, temperance[/u][/b]: against such there is no law.     [b]Having been converted the spirit of God dwells in you and the manifestation of its [/b] [b]fruits as well.[/b]   Luke 17:21 “[b]Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for[/b], behold, [b][u]the kingdom of God [/u][/b][b][u]is within you[/u][/b][b][u]. [/u][/b]    Cor. 3:16 "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the [b][u]Spirit of God [/u][/b][b][u]dwelleth in you?[/u][/b][b][u]"[/u][/b]   1 Cor 6:19  "What? know ye not that your body is the [b][u]temple of the Holy Ghost[/u][/b][b] [/b] [b][u]which is in you[/u][/b], [b][u]which ye have of God[/u][/b], and ye[b] [u]are not on your own[/u][/b][u]"[/u]   Hebrews 9:24 "[b][u]For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands[/u][/b], which [b][u]are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself[/u][/b], now to appear in the presence of God for"   Revelations 21:3 "And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying[b], Behold, [u]the tabernacle [/u][/b] [b][u]of God is with men,[/u][/b][b] [u]and he will dwell with them[/u], and [u]they shall be his people[/u], [/b] [b]and [u]God himself shall be with them[/u], and [u]be their God.[/u][/b]   [b]Though the spirit of God dwells and working with [/b][b]in you- urging [/b][b]to follow [/b] [b]the will of Him, is still warring to the spirit of the world with in.[/b] [b][/b]  1 Peter 2:10 "Which in time past were not a people, [b][u]but are now the people of [/u][/b] [b][u]God:[/u][/b] which had not obtained mercy, but [b][u]now have obtained mercy[/u][/b]. [b][/b]  [b][/b]1 Peter 2:11 "Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, [b][u]abstain from[/u][/b] [u][b]fleshly lusts,[/b][/u] [b]which war against the soul;[/b]   Romans 7:22 "[b]For I delight in the law of God after the inward man[/b]:"   Romans 7:23 "But[b][u] I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my [/u][/b] [b][u]mind,[/u][/b] and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.   Romans 7:25 [b]"I thank [u]God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind[/u] [/b] [b]I [/b][b]myself serve the law of God;[/b] but with the flesh the law of sin   Romans 8:11 "[b]But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, [/b] [b][u]he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies[/u][/b] [u][b]by his Spirit [/b][/u] [u][b]that dwelleth in you.[/b][/u]   [b]Spirit of God indwelling to you will subdue the spirit of the world by willing to listen[/b] [b]and obey the urging of Him in you.[/b]   Romans 12:1 "I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye [b]present your bodies [/b] [b]a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, [u]which is your reasonable service[/u][/b][u].[/u] [u] [/u] Romans 12:2 "And be not conformed to this world: but [b]be [u]ye transformed by the renewing of [/u][/b] [b][u]your mind,[/u] that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and [u]perfect, will of God[/u].[/b] [b][/b]  John 6:40 “And [u][b]this is the will of him that sent me[/b][/u], that [b][u]every one which seeth the Son, and [/u][/b] [b][u]believeth on him,[/u][/b] may have everlasting life: and[b][u] [/u][/b]I will raise him up at the last day. [b][u][/u][/b]  John 5:24” Verily, verily, I say unto you[u][b], [/b][/u][u][b]He that heareth my word, and believeth[/b][/u] [b]on him that sent me,[/b] hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. [b][u][/u][/b]  1 John 2:5[b][u] "But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected:[/u][/b] [b][u][b]hereby know we that we are in him."[/b][/u][/b] [b][u][/u][/b]  1 Kings 8:61 [b][u]"Let your heart therefore be perfect with the LORD our God, [/u][/b] [b][u]to walk in his statutes,[/u] and to [u]keep his commandments[/u][u],[/u] as at this day[u].[/u][/b] [b][u][/u][/b]   [b][/b]  [b]By converting, becoming babe in Christ, renewing with mind of Christ and[/b] [b]keeping/continuing  witn His word for the perfection of His love in you- the sum of recognizing[/b] [b]the one true God thus:[/b]   1John 5:5 "Who is [u][b]he that [/b][b]overcometh[/b][b] the world[/b][/u][b], but [u]he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?[/u][/b]  ----- Original Message ----- From: "sandra3102" <bibletalk@purechristianity.org ([email]bibletalk@purechristianity.org[/email])> To: <bibletalk@purechristianity.org ([email]bibletalk@purechristianity.org[/email])> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 3:32 AM Subject: RE: Regarding our responsibility [quote] I myself have been pondering on this question before and now after I found the truth. Before, I just did not mind the seemingly contradictory verses for I completely relied on my preachers of their admonition  to just strengthen my faith. Now I found, and I hope it is God's revelation, that the first move belongs to me. What I mean is to humble myself and accept God's revelation and drop whatever I received as man's explanation, more particularly the literal meaning, of the word.  It is only then that I realized gradual understanding of the message behind the letter. I think this is what is meant by "work out your own salvation" for God cannot do this for us. It is only after the foregoing humility that God has seen in us, giving Him a free hand to work in our life, that what our Lord said, "Apart from Him we can do nothing" begin to apply. And "to overcome," our Lord must be referring to our continuous dependence on Him regarding the spiritual aspect of our life.
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