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Posted Jan 22, 2006 at 4:40:00 AM
Subject: Why did it need to separate the Tree of Life?
[color=blue]I have read the two articles on the sin of Adam and Eve, SPIRITUAL and PHYSICAL, but for a long time I have been thinking on the following: When Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruits of the “tree of knowledge of good and evil,” they found themselves naked. This must be the “nakedness from the garment of salvation.” Realizing their lost of salvation, they took “fig leaves for their nakedness” for their covering that means human ways of salvation. Gen 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons. Then God replaced their covering with “coats of skins.” Gen 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them. “Skins” of animal cannot be taken without the shedding of “blood,” and we all know this symbolizes the “blood of Jesus shed on the cross.” My question is, why did God after putting the “proper covering for their spiritual nakedness” still drove them from the garden so as not to have access to the Tree of life? Gen 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life. [/color]
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Posted: Jan 22, 2006 10:42:43 AM
My question is, why did God after putting the “proper covering for their spiritual nakedness” still drove them from the garden so as not to have access to the Tree of life? On the second thought as sfchristian is stressing a point in this forum, what if the interpretation that God did put the proper covering for their spiritual nakedness is wrong, to whom, in this forum, did the Lord God revealed this interpretation in the first place?
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Posted: Jan 22, 2006 6:52:04 PM
This is how we ask God. If we will depend on the story for sure it will lead us to wrong direction. Why did God drove Adam &amp; Eve from the garden when they already clothed with animal skin. That is the story and let us wait for God revelation on this. [b][i]ric32bailey &lt;bibletalk@purechristianity.org&gt;[/i][/b] wrote: [quote]I have read the two articles on the sin of Adam and Eve, SPIRITUAL and PHYSICAL, but for a long time I have been thinking on the following: When Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruits of the “tree of knowledge of good and evil,” they found themselves naked. This must be the “nakedness from the garment of salvation.” Realizing their lost of salvation, they took “fig leaves for their nakedness” for their covering that means human ways of salvation. Gen 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons. Then God replaced their covering with “coats of skins.” Gen 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them. “Skins” of animal cannot be taken without the shedding of “blood,” and we all know this symbolizes the “blood of Jesus shed on the cross.” My question is, why did God after putting the “proper covering for their spiritual nakedness” still drove them from the garden so as not to have access to the Tree of life? Gen 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life. [/quote]
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Posted: Jan 22, 2006 9:49:21 PM
[b]This is how we ask God. If we will depend on the story for sure it will lead us to wrong direction. Why did God drove Adam &amp; Eve from the garden when they already clothed with animal skin. That is the story and let us wait for God revelation on this. [/b] [quote][b]May the one (in this forum) to whom the Lord God will reveal the answer to the above, tell us when, and how or in what way and manner did the Lord reveal to him/her the same so that we may know if God is still using the same method of giving an answer to a query of man to God  as in the biblical times or if God is using another method today not known to the biblical characters of yesterday. I pray that God may give more wisdom to the one whom He will use in this forum. God be with us. [/b][/quote]
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Posted: Jan 23, 2006 7:20:38 AM
Let every man put his supposition, assumption, perception, insight, interpretation on the word of God. Be zealous, memorize verses, and put his mind and heart and everything in command of his faculties given by God for his physical life, but ALL these are put to naught when God speaks the TRUTH through His words for “spiritual life” that many people are not even aware of. Christ’s Disciples saw this in the Doctors and Teachers of the Law (Gamaliel and Nicodemus), Scribes, and Pharisees, during the time of Christ. Later, this was confirmed by Paul. God’s word will never pass away, and this must be true in our time. Characters, situations, and circumstances are the same in the eyes of God, but different only in names and nomenclature. If the sects of the Pharisees and Sadducees at that time did “not see” what our Lord wanted to show; today, the 1001 sects remain “spiritually blind” as their counterparts. If people at that time relied on people and self, this truth will never pass away in our time. How many people will accept this truth? Let us be reminded of the message of the SPIRITUAL SIN of Eve that many people do not even know. Yes, if we are humble enough, let us wait for God’s revelation regarding the question as the Disciples did when Jesus said, “Destroy this temple…”
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Posted: Jan 23, 2006 2:34:21 PM
[quote] Quote: ____________________ If the sects of the Pharisees and Sadducees at that time did “not see” what our Lord wanted to show; today, the 1001 sects remain “spiritually blind” as their counterparts. ____________________     Maybe even more than that numbers brother Fil.     Quote: ___________________ Yes, if we are humble enough, let us wait for God’s revelation regarding the question as the Disciples did when Jesus said, “Destroy this temple…” ____________________ We are very eager to wait for the Lord God as to who among in this forum will be the first one that He may give His annointment and His answers. Nice query sfchristian. May God bless us. [/quote]
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Posted: Jan 24, 2006 2:34:39 PM
The clue to the question are the following verses: Joh:21:25: And there are also[color=red][b] many other things which Jesus did,[/b][/color] the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even [color=red][b]the world itself could not contain the books that should be written.[/b][/color] Amen. Isa:28:10: [color=red][b]For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept[/b][/color]; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: 1Co:2:13: Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; [color=red][b]comparing spiritual things with spiritual.[/b][/color] In this verse: Gen 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life. Eve represents all people who did not humble themselves that's why they were denied access to the tree of life. In the verse: Gen 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them. Eve now represents the real people of God (chosen) who will humble themselves and will accept the coat of skins offered by God. John 21:25 shows that God’s message is not limited single message. 1Co:2:14: But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
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Posted: Jan 24, 2006 7:01:05 PM
I was glad to hear from our two brothers here saying let us wait for God's revelation on this/the question as the disciples did.........., which to me is the best way and the right thing to do for each and everyone of us here in this forum. See how they say it true to their heart.   Quote __________________________ This is how we ask God. If we will depend on the story for sure it will lead us to wrong direction. Why did God drove Adam &amp; Eve from the garden when they already clothed with animal skin. That is the story and let us wait for God revelation on this.     Quote ______________________ Yes, if we are humble enough, let us wait for God’s revelation regarding the question as the Disciples did when Jesus said, “Destroy this temple…” ____________________   In view of the above quotes and in giving a clear view to the query of sfchristian and yours truly, may we know from you VDF if you are now the one whom God is giving His revelation to the question of Ric Bailey? may we know the manner by which God is giving you this revelation? May God helps you more to shed light to this matter.   [b][i]vdf &lt;bibletalk@purechristianity.org&gt;[/i][/b] wrote: [quote]The clue to the question are the following verses: Joh:21:25: And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen. Isa:28:10: For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: 1Co:2:13: Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. In this verse: Gen 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life. Eve represents all people who did not humble themselves that's why they were denied access to the tree of life. In the verse: Gen 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them. Eve now represents the real people of God (chosen) who will humble themselves and will accept the coat of skins offered by God. John 21:25 shows that God’s message is not limited single message. 1Co:2:14: But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. [/quote]
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Posted: Jan 25, 2006 7:01:53 AM
There are 2 kinds of people that Eve represents.... 1.NATURAL MAN – which composed only of body and soul... for they were denied access to the tree of life ( Spirit of God) 1CO:2:14: BUT THE NATURAL MAN RECEIVETH NOT THE THINGS OF THE SPIRIT OF GOD: FOR THEY ARE FOOLISHNESS UNTO HIM: NEITHER CAN HE KNOW THEM,BECAUSE THEY ARE SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED 2.BORN AGAIN – those who humble themselves and gain access to the tree of life. Those who gain access to the tree of life is now given the following: 1Co:12:8: For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 1Co:12:10: To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: On the question “if you are now the one whom God is giving His revelation to the question of Ric Bailey?” the above verses clearly shows that God’s Chosen is given a gift to be able to discern if a message is really comes from God.
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Posted: Jan 25, 2006 10:10:09 AM
[b]Numbers 1: 1 - 2.  [/b] And the Lord spake unto Moses in the wilderness....................in the second year after they were come out ot the land of Egypt, saying, [b]"Take ye the sum of all the congregation of the children of Israel, after their families, by the house of their fathers, with the numbers of their names, every male by their polls;[/b]   [b]Jeremiah 1: 6 - 7.[/b]  Then said I, Ah Lord God! behold, I cannot speak: for I am a child. But the Lord said unto me, [b]"Say not, I am a child: for thou shalt go to all that I shall send thee, and whatsoever I command thee thou shall speak."[/b] [b][/b]  [b]Revelation 1: 10 - 11.[/b]  I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, saying, "[b]I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the severn churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea."[/b] [b][/b]  Truly and indeed that the above verses of the bible clearly show to us how the Lord God was [b]lively [/b]revealing His will with his "Chosen ones" during the biblical times. The bible, too, testifies to the reality of the existence of the Lord God in interacting with people of the past generations. And as God is never changing for He is the same yesterday, today, and forever, I do believe that God is still the same as of today. However our brother vdf is now showing to us how the Lord God is dealing with him through the bible. Thank you very much vdf for showing to us where did you get the answer. May God bless us all.   [b][i]vdf &lt;bibletalk@purechristianity.org&gt;[/i][/b] wrote: [quote]There are 2 kinds of people that Eve represents.... 1.NATURAL MAN – which composed only of body and soul... for they were denied access to the tree of life ( Spirit of God) 1CO:2:14: BUT THE NATURAL MAN RECEIVETH NOT THE THINGS OF THE SPIRIT OF GOD: FOR THEY ARE FOOLISHNESS UNTO HIM: NEITHER CAN HE KNOW THEM,BECAUSE THEY ARE SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED 2.BORN AGAIN – those who humble themselves and gain access to the tree of life. Those who gain access to the tree of life is now given the following: 1Co:12:8: For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 1Co:12:10: To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: On the question “if you are now the one whom God is giving His revelation to the question of Ric Bailey?” the above verses clearly shows that God’s Chosen is given a gift to be able to discern if a message is really comes from God. [/quote]
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Posted: Jan 25, 2006 1:42:35 PM
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Posted: Jan 25, 2006 1:50:46 PM
The "breath" should be "breathe." Sorry.
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Posted: Feb 04, 2006 5:49:32 AM
Then God replaced their covering with “coats of skins.” [color=red]Gen 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them. Gen 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life. [/color] As I understand Isa. 28:10 “precept upon precept…line upon line…here a little and there a little,” and 2 Tim. 2:15, am I correct to consider the two events as separate and cannot be lumped together so as to draw a conclusion?
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Posted: Feb 04, 2006 4:43:37 PM
That is right Sister that is why we were given all the commandments for us to have eternal life from the truth in them. The two verses quoted(Isa 28:10 and 2 Tim 2:15) are for all of us to follow with regard to reading and dividing the truth in the word rightly thru the guidance of the spirit of the Lord in us. 2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" Otherwise the commandment above is of no use and the sure thing is that one do not really trusts the written words of God. One may mean well or zealous about following God, but unknowingly they are violating the commandments of God. I am not suprised because the only one who knows that he received the true spirit of the Lord Jesus is the recipient itself as written Revelation 2:17 "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it. For the one who received the spirit of the Lord has the same attribute like a little child who has the humbleness to ask for assurance if what he/she understands is right.Telling you such will be interpreted by others as self righteousness and being boastful. Let me cite some verses regarding boasting as written in 2 Corinthians 10:8 "For though I should boast somewhat more of our authority, which the Lord hath given us for edification, and not for your destruction, I should not be ashamed:" 2 Corinthians 10:13 "But we will not boast of things without our measure, but according to the measure of the rule which God hath distributed to us, a measure to reach even unto you." 2 Corinthians 9:2 "For I know the forwardness of your mind, for which I boast of you to them of Macedonia, that Achaia was ready a year ago; and your zeal hath provoked very many." 2 Corinthians 7:14 "For if I have boasted any thing to him of you, I am not ashamed; but as we spake all things to you in truth, even so our boasting, which I made before Titus, is found a truth." Psalms 44:8 "In God we boast all the day long, and praise thy name for ever. Selah." And many more verses about boasting that will contradict other verses. But one must be reminded that as it is written Psalms 19:7 "The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple." In fact, there are so many contradictions in the words of God that will lead you to nowhere if you will not heed commandments of how the Lord teaches knowledge His children as in; Isaiah 28:9 "Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts" then this is followed by Isaiah 28:10 "For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:" I think most if not all who visited the articles in this website have read "What Really is the Sin of Eve" Hereunder is excerpted portion from the mentioned article and it follows the commandments(Isaiah 28:10 and 2 Timothy 2:15) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ People who are not "babes" or "poor in spirit" do not realize their spiritual nakedness of the garment of salvation. One thing good for Adam and Eve was they realized their "nakedness" after the fall. They covered themselves by sewing fig leaves as "garment." This gives us the message that they tried to win back the salvation that they lost. Let us now ask God why He changed the fig leaves with "coats of skin." GENESIS 3:21 "Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them." "LORD, WHY DID YOU CHANGE THE 'FIG LEAVES COVERING' WITH 'COATS OF SKIN?" As if God is saying, "Fig tree symbolizes man." JUDGES 9:10-11 "And the trees said to the fig tree, Come thou, and reign over us. But the fig tree said unto them, Should I forsake my sweetness, and my good fruit, and go to be promoted over the trees?" "The leaves, therefore, indicate anything coming from man. Leaves from the fig tree as covering symbolize the 'garment of salvation' coming from men. These are the precepts of men and religious traditions, the product of the intellect and feeling, which I condemn: ISAIAH 29:13-14 "Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me...and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men. Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvelous work among this people, even a marvelous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid." COLOSSIANS 2:8 "Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ." "Remember, desire for salvation is not enough. Neither does sincerity corrects the erroneous way of attaining it." ROMANS 10:2 "For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge." "Human ways of attaining salvation, apart from My way, lead to the rejection of My Standard: ROMANS 10:3 "For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God." "That is the reason why I substituted 'coats of skin' for the 'fig leaves' that Adam and Eve tried to cover their "nakedness." "Coats of skin" We ask God: 'LORD, WHAT IS THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE 'COATS OF SKIN' AS COVERING? As if God is asking the following questions which everybody ought to know: "Can I get the skin of animals, say a sheep, without shedding its blood and killing it? Can you not now see the connection between the shedding of My blood in My human manifestation on the cross with this 'coat of skin?' Have you forgotten how I am pictured as a Lamb?" ISAIAH 53:7 "He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb..." JOHN 1:29 "The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world." 1 PETER 1:19 "But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:" REVELATION 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne... stood a Lamb as it had been slain..." "My death on the cross is symbolized by the 'coat of skin!' This is the acceptable covering for spiritual nakedness. This is the 'garment of salvation.'" We ask God: "LORD, HOW COULD YOUR DEATH BE THE GARMENT OF SALVATION?" As if God is saying, "Remember, I made a Covenant, and this can only be fulfilled by the death of the Testator. I manifested Myself in the flesh for this purpose, aside from showing the Way by example. In My Testament I promised Myself to be the inheritance. I manifested Myself in the form of Spirit, so that I can dwell in My chosen to teach them My way - not man's way, My Standard and not man's Standard of good and evil." "I repeat, nakedness after the Fall is spiritual nakedness of the garment of salvation. This is the result of the adoption of man's Standard of good and evil with the use of the intellect and feeling. Fig leaves covering is man-devised 'garment of salvation.' This has to be replaced with My 'garment of salvation' which is the 'coats of skin'" symbolizing the shedding of My blood on the cross." "To summarize the two kinds of nakedness, before and after the Fall: 1. "Nakedness before the Fall refers only to the non-eating of the fruits of the Tree of Life. These are the fruit(s) of the Spirit. This is UNCLEANNESS ON THE OUTSIDE: David's commission of physical adultery with Bathseba and physical murder of Uriah; and Peter's literal denial of Me." "This is not nakedness of the garment of salvation as David and Peter still remained My chosen. This is demonstrated in the Prodigal son's leaving his father and squandering his wealth on the things of the flesh. He still remained the son of his father. His coming back is equivalent to David and Peter's repentance." 2. "Nakedness after the Fall refers to the 'eating of the fruits of the forbidden Tree.' This renders UNCLEANNESS IN THE INSIDE. The use of the intellect and feeling in matters pertaining to Me and My words render spiritual blindness as not to see spiritual adultery, spiritual murder, spiritual stealing, spiritual telling a lie, etc." "This is what I saw in the Scribes and Pharisees. Like Adam and Eve, they tried to cover their spiritual nakedness with HUMAN WAYS of salvation. But unlike Adam and Eve, the Scribes and Pharisees did not accept My offer of 'coats of skin,' or My Way. With their Standard, they tried to clean the OUTSIDE, by applying their intellect and feeling to My words. They, however, failed to clean the INSIDE. They remained spiritually naked without the 'garment of salvatuion.'" ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ And I know, even how much citing of verses and sharing what we received from our God it will be futile for those with different spirits. They could argue briliantly with their intellect and feelings. I have to admit that sometimes I am losing heart to make my fasting and my weakness in belligerence about such discussions to just stay put, but I have to follow the commandments of the Lord Jesus hoping lost sheep will find this forum. ----- Original Message ----- From: "sandra3102" &lt;bibletalk@purechristianity.org&gt; To: &lt;bibletalk@purechristianity.org&gt; Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 12:54 AM Subject: RE: Why did it need to separate the Tree of Life? [quote] Then God replaced their covering with "coats of skins." Gen 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.[/quote] [quote] Gen 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the[/quote] way of the tree of life. [quote] As I understand Isa. 28:10 "precept upon precept.line upon line.here a little and there a little," and 2 Tim. 2:15, am I correct to consider the[/quote] two events as separate and cannot be lumped together so as to draw a conclusion? [quote] [/quote]
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Posted: Feb 07, 2006 7:12:10 AM
I think the question regarding Foreknowledge and Free Will, with much feedback already posted on the subject, should now be put to rest. I could sense recent postings are just repetitions of what have been written already. How about waiting for God’s revelation to each of us on the truth? After all the Disciples waited for around 3 years when they heard our Lord speak, “Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it.” Instead, may I suggest we now go to my question regarding God’s covering with “coats of skins” of Adam and Eve after the fall, that I suppose meant the “garment of salvation,” and then “denying them access to the Tree of Life” thereafter. [quote:330e96fae4="ric32bailey"][color=blue]I have read the two articles on the sin of Adam and Eve, SPIRITUAL and PHYSICAL, but for a long time I have been thinking on the following: When Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruits of the “tree of knowledge of good and evil,” they found themselves naked. This must be the “nakedness from the garment of salvation.” Realizing their lost of salvation, they took “fig leaves for their nakedness” for their covering that means human ways of salvation. Gen 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons. Then God replaced their covering with “coats of skins.” Gen 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them. “Skins” of animal cannot be taken without the shedding of “blood,” and we all know this symbolizes the “blood of Jesus shed on the cross.” My question is, why did God after putting the “proper covering for their spiritual nakedness” still drove them from the garden so as not to have access to the Tree of life? Gen 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life. [/color][/quote]
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Posted: Feb 07, 2006 11:33:39 AM
  Ric wrote: ____________________________   How about waiting for God’s revelation to each of us on the truth?   ____________________________     Oh yes Ric, thanks for reminding everybody about this very exciting moment of waiting for  the Lord God's revelation. Let us also wait as to who will be the first one in this forum that the Lord God will use in revealing your query about coats given to Adam and Eve.
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Posted: Feb 07, 2006 9:25:47 PM
Why is the question from the Jolo City brethren not yet answered. I am very sure that they really want to know the real intentions of such postings. She is really everywhere !! Asking and then siding with and worst agreeing on whosoever got near with their audible personal two-way communication with GOD. And, yet she strongly denied that that kind of act is not boasting. Just from the physical and literal surface, nobody couldn't deny that talking and then asking GOD of His immediate response on a personal audible communication was so much boasting. A repost from porfirioanakpawis and was directly intended to OneJack's lady advocate. &gt;&gt; [b]Quote:[/b] Ma'm Please reply in writing YES or NO if you believe fully on all of OneJack's doctrine. No defensive or whatsoever rudiments of philosophical reasoning or the style of running around the bush. Again, put it in writing. Just YES or NO. Also, do same in bold writing if GOD's written WORDs is not of any importance on your salvation. GOD is SPIRITUALLY alive as not what you have been persistently writing that He is around physically and conversing audibly with your group. [b]Unquote:[/b] [b][i][u]Here is another OneJack's postings on the christians on line forum :[/u][/i][/b] [b]OneJack as he wrote the verses &gt; &gt;Here is the said teaching of the Lord:[/b] Mat 22:11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: Mat 22:12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless." Mat 22:13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth" Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen. -,-,-,-,--,-,-,-,-,-,-,-,-,-,-,-,-,-,-, [b]OneJack's explanation as he wrote that came from the Lord via two-way personalized audible communication:[/b] "There was a granny with three (3) grandchildren and she commanded them to do chores. She asked the first one if she had done the chore that she commanded her to do and her grandchild said that she had mixed the pebble to the rice grains that they were going to sell. To the second grandchild she asked the same question and the grandchild said that the formalin had already been sprayed to the vegetables that they were going to sell, too. The granny asked the third grandchild if same had done her part and the child said that she had already injected with water the dressed chicken that they were going to sell." "Replied the granny, “good deeds were what you had done, therefore, come you all and let us recite the rosary and let us pray to God that may there be many to buy from us tomorrow." "What they really wanted to happen was that many will go to them for that many to be swindled by them. People like these are the kind of people who attended the wedding feast without the proper wedding garment or with a "gusgusin" garment." [b]Quote from Symeon - a participant of the christians on line forum :[/b] "You said that those who wear the right garment "will hear the Lord teaching as in the days of the apostles." I'm not quite clear on what you mean by "as in the days of the apostles." [b]OneJack's explanation as he wrote that came from the Lord via two-way personalized audible communication:[/b] There were times in the days of the apostles that they were being taught by the Lord Jesus as if they were on a class session somewhere out there in the field or inside a house, and so on. This is what I mean with as in the days of the apsotles - question and answer forum. [b]Quote from Symeon - a participant of the christians on line forum :[/b] Do you have in mind the experience of the apostles before Christ's crucifixion? Or do you mean their experience after His resurrection but before His ascension? Or do you mean their experience after His ascension? [b]OneJack's explanation as he wrote that came from the Lord via two-way personalized audible communication:[/b] Yes, all of your question in this last one, yes. One example that I will share with you is Paul. The Lord said Paul died blaming the Lord Jesus Christ for the Lord let Paul died in the fangs of a live lion. Paul was eaten by a lion and died unsaved, but later on, just lately in our time, ( please hold on to your seat for this maybe a bomb to others) Paul repented from his sins and go back to the Lord and Paul, by now, has been saved.
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Posted: Feb 08, 2006 12:26:06 PM
Brother Almario Cortez, do I call you in your right name? Hi there. God bless you.   Greetings from,   Adlemi Sotnas [b][i]almario1 &lt;bibletalk@purechristianity.org&gt;[/i][/b] wrote: [quote]Why is the question from the Jolo City brethren not yet answered. I am very sure that they really want to know the real intentions of such postings. She is really everywhere !! Asking and then siding with and worst agreeing on whosoever got near with their audible personal two-way communication with GOD. And, yet she strongly denied that that kind of act is not boasting. Just from the physical and literal surface, nobody couldn't deny that talking and then asking GOD of His immediate response on a personal audible communication was so much boasting. A repost from porfirioanakpawis and was directly intended to OneJack's lady advocate. &gt;&gt; Quote: Ma'm Please reply in writing YES or NO if you believe fully on all of OneJack's doctrine. No defensive or whatsoever rudiments of philosophical reasoning or the style of running around the bush. Again, put it in writing. Just YES or NO. Also, do same in bold writing if GOD's written WORDs is not of any importance on your salvation. GOD is SPIRITUALLY alive as not what you have been persistently writing that He is around physically and conversing audibly with your group. Unquote: Here is another OneJack's postings on the christians on line forum : OneJack as he wrote the verses &gt; &gt;Here is the said teaching of the Lord: Mat 22:11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: Mat 22:12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless." Mat 22:13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth" Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen. -,-,-,-,--,-,-,-,-,-,-,-,-,-,-,-,-,- OneJack's explanation as he wrote that came from the Lord via two-way personalized audible communication: "There was a granny with three (3) grandchildren and she commanded them to do chores. She asked the first one if she had done the chore that she commanded her to do and her grandchild said that she had mixed the pebble to the rice grains that they were going to sell. To the second grandchild she asked the same question and the grandchild said that the formalin had already been sprayed to the vegetables that they were going to sell, too. The granny asked the third grandchild if same had done her part and the child said that she had already injected with water the dressed chicken that they were going to sell." "Replied the granny, “good deeds were what you had done, therefore, come you all and let us recite the rosary and let us pray to God that may there be many to buy from us tomorrow." "What they really wanted to happen was that many will go to them for that many to be swindled by them. People like these are the kind of people who attended the wedding feast without the proper wedding garment or with a "gusgusin" garment." Quote from Symeon - a participant of the christians on line forum : "You said that those who wear the right garment "will hear the Lord teaching as in the days of the apostles." I'm not quite clear on what you mean by "as in the days of the apostles." OneJack's explanation as he wrote that came from the Lord via two-way personalized audible communication: There were times in the days of the apostles that they were being taught by the Lord Jesus as if they were on a class session somewhere out there in the field or inside a house, and so on. This is what I mean with as in the days of the apsotles - question and answer forum. Quote from Symeon - a participant of the christians on line forum : Do you have in mind the experience of the apostles before Christ's crucifixion? Or do you mean their experience after His resurrection but before His ascension? Or do you mean their experience after His ascension? OneJack's explanation as he wrote that came from the Lord via two-way personalized audible communication: Yes, all of your question in this last one, yes. One example that I will share with you is Paul. The Lord said Paul died blaming the Lord Jesus Christ for the Lord let Paul died in the fangs of a live lion. Paul was eaten by a lion and died unsaved, but later on, just lately in our time, ( please hold on to your seat for this maybe a bomb to others) Paul repented from his sins and go back to the Lord and Paul, by now, has been saved. [/quote]
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Posted: Feb 09, 2006 5:28:43 AM
I am still waiting for God's revelation regarding my question. Why did it need for God to separae the Tree of Life from Adam and Eve after having clothed them with "coats of skins" that symbolizes covering with the "garment of salvation"?
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Posted: Feb 09, 2006 10:01:55 AM
Try to be patient in waiting to God's rekply to your query Ric. In due time, God will respond to us. [b][i]ric32bailey &lt;bibletalk@purechristianity.org&gt;[/i][/b] wrote: [quote]I am still waiting for God's revelation regarding my question. Why did it need for God to separae the Tree of Life from Adam and Eve after having clothed them with "coats of skins" that symbolizes covering with the "garment of salvation"? [/quote]
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Posted: Feb 10, 2006 11:38:31 AM
[color=darkblue]It is hoped this is a divine revelation on the two seemingly contradictory acts of God in the book of Genesis: The First Act – The Fall of Adam and Eve and God save them: Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. 7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and [size=12][size=18]they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons[/size][/size]. The Second -- Surprisingly thereafter, Adam and Eve were denied access to the Tree of Life Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, [size=12][size=18]the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:[/size][/size] and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: 24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, [size=12][size=18]to keep the way of the tree of life[/size][/size]. We (1 Cor. 2:15-16) should appreciate God’s direction in reading the Sacred Scriptures in Isa. 28:10, “precept upon precept…line upon line…here a little and there a little.” In the FIRST ACT: Upon creation Adam, a physical being, was created in the image of God actually referring to Jesus Christ, also called the “lamb of God” (John 1:29). Out of Adam God formed Eve -- literally a “woman.” Spiritually also a “woman” in the following: Jer 3:14 Turn, O backsliding children, [size=12][size=18]saith the LORD; for I am married unto you[/size][/size]: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion: Isa 54:5 For [size=12][size=18]thy Maker is thine husband[/size][/size]; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called. We all know that the purpose of God in the creation of mankind was to have eternal companions. In this first ACT of God, He accomplished His purpose. In other words, this must be the SPIRITUAL HISTORY of mankind from creation up to the fulfillment of His Plan in: Rev 7:9 “After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, [size=18]stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes[/size], and palms in their hands.” The SECOND ACT Here, the Sacred Scriptures relate in detail the cause and the result of the Fall. Eating the “fruits” (human wisdom and feeling) of the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil (symbolized by the SOUL) made mankind, represented by Eve, to devise MAN’S STANDARD OF GOOD AND EVIL. Adam the husband of Eve, symbolized by Jesus Christ in His role as Father, for love of “her” (mankind) took also of the forbidden fruits although He was not deceived: 1 Tim 2:14 And [size=12][size=18]Adam was not deceived[/size][/size], but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Adam did this TO TAKE UPON HIMSELF THE PUNISHMENT DUE to EVE (mankind more specifically the chosen). 1 Pet 2:24 [size=12][size=18]Who his own self bare our sins in his own body [/size][/size]on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. Gen 3:17 [size=12][size=18]And unto Adam [/size][/size]he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 18 [size=12][size=18]Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee[/size][/size]; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; This is what we find in JESUS CHRIST who was crucified on the cross relieving His chosen from this punishment which actually is due to them. With the Fall man (people) creating his (their) own STANDARD OF GOOD AND EVIL), like God according to Satan, no longer is/are sheep, but GOATS! God therefore made His TESTAMENT of salvation (Gen. 17:7) that requires His death (Heb. 9:16), necessitating His “manifestation in the flesh” (1 Tim 3:16 KJV) in the person of Jesus Christ. People who humble themselves “like little children” (Matt. 18:3), and fully submitted to the authority of God “as babes” are endowed with divine knowledge and wisdom: Mat 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. Isa 28:9 KJV Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. This is the process of salvation which we find ourselves in. “Born again” is the miracle of transformation from spiritual goat to spiritual sheep. Jesus Christ, a LAMB, can only relate to His flock of SHEEP. Jesus Christ can never relate to GOATS (typified by the Scribes and Pharisees) for they cannot understand each other. The spiritual SHEEP (1 Cor. 2:15-16) continue in their “spiritual walk” towards spiritual perfection until they are “fully” covered with “garment of salvation and the robe of righteousness” like the “eldest Son of God,” Jesus in His role as SON: Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [size=18]to be conformed to the image of his Son[/size], that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Therefore the END of the SECOND ACT is what we find in the FIRST ACT. Hence, for me, I cannot see any contradiction between the two acts of God. [size=12][/size][/color]
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