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Armageddon...?

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Posted Aug 19, 2006 at 1:20:02 AM
Subject: Armageddon...?
Only a few short days ago I watched as Pat Robinson stood in downtown Jerusalem on his TV show announcing that the "clock has started to tick on "Armagedon." TV preachers, who advance the dispensational premillennial school of eschatology were running wild because of the conflict with the "Jew" and Hezbollah Hal Lindsay took his paperback book "The Late Great Planet Earth" out of moth balls that he wrote in 1970. Hal has made enough money on this "paper rag" to feed the population of China over again. Jerry Falwell and Pat Robinson went to Israel to broadcast their TV shows. No doubt, these two wanted to be there before Benny Hinn and be near the "Temple Mount," waiting for the "rapture." Is it any wonder unbelievers stand back and snicker at Christianity? The wonderful promise of the Lord's return is being "guessed at" by men who could not exegete Matthew 21-25 if their life depended upon it. Jesus calls men like Falwell, Haggi, Robinson, Lindsay and those of lessor light, "blind scribes," and "false prophets." The apostle John calls men like this, "Antichrist" (1 John 2:18). Paul calls this outfit "the natural man who receives not the things of the Spirit of God" (1 Cor. 2). While I am on the subject, I know their are many good people who read this forum seeking answers: many who have watched the TV circus and bought paperback books about the second coming of Jesus Christ. You cannot be a Christian and be a knowing proponet of such error. Jesus said that He "did not know of his return." He specifically said, "It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father, has put in his own power." (Acts 1:7). Now, why any jake legged preacher would even try to predict His return is behond me. How would you like to stand in judgment before the Lord of glory knowing that you had made a fortune off of predicting "the Second Coming?" Waisting your talent, time, and energy in this field where Jesus had not "delivered goods" (verse 14). Read the parable of the talent (Matthew 25:14-30) and you will see that Jesus ("a man travelling to a far country"), looks at this servant, one who "hid his talent." You can read and find out what He dose with this "wicked and slothful servant." Knocks a hole in the theory of "once in grace, always in grace" does it not? The Bible is not a book of "current events" or a continuous, historical revelation of world affairs. but rather, it is a "road map" from earth to Heaven, setting up "guide lines" by which we may safely and surely reach the eternal city.

Hermeneutics is the science of interpretation, and Exegesis is the pratical appliance of the rules or principles of this science in determining the intended message of the author.

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cristinolese
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Posted: Aug 19, 2006 4:27:59 PM
How could people waiting for the “Second Coming of Christ” reconcile this speculation with His promise in the following? Joh 14:18 I will not leave you [u][b]comfortless[/b]:[/u] [size=18]I will come to you[/size]. • Jesus would not be leaving His Disciples “comfortless.” Therefore they would surely have a Comforter. • Jesus promised to come again. Could Jesus be remiss of this promise? He would have been a liar if He did not fulfill it. It is Satan and his servants who try to picture our Lord a liar. The fulfillment of His promise is confirmed in the following: Mat 28:20 [size=18]… lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. [/size]Amen. How many people have eyes to see that, indeed, Jesus fulfilled His promise of coming back again and not leaving His Disciples till the end of the world? 2 Cor 3:17 Now the [color=red][b]Lord[/b][/color] is that [color=red][b]Spirit[/b][/color]: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, [b]there is liberty[/b]. Is there any other LORD aside from Jesus Christ? 1 Cor 8:6 [size=18]But to us there is but [/size]one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and [size=18]one Lord Jesus Christ[/size], by whom are all things, and we by him. Is there any good Spirit aside from the Holy Spirit? Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; [b]whom the world cannot receive[/b], because it seeth him not, [b]neither knoweth him[/b]: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father [size=18]will send in my name[/size], he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. How many people are “in bondage” for not discerning the identity of the “Spirit of Truth”, thus, making our Lord Jesus seems to be remiss of His promise? But real Disciples, the Spiritual Men (1 Cor 2:15-16), have already Jesus Christ in His Holy Spirit manifestation making true His promise to them. [b]He has already come at Pentecost![/b] However, many people are still waiting for His Second Coming because they trust their senses and intellect more than they trust our Lord of His promise. His ascension to heaven bodily made them forget that our Lord could make Himself visible or invisible. This He made precisely to confirm His assurance to His chosen: Mar 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: [size=18]but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: [/size]12 That [b]seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them. [/b] Many people today missed the Second Coming of Christ at Pentecost in His Holy Spirit manifestation, just as the Jews missed His First Coming. Jesus was in front of the religious leaders, Scribes, Pharisees and priests, but did not recognize Him. They had to pay Judas Iscariot 30 pcs of silver just to introduce Him to them for His crucifixion. This truth has not passed away. Just as Jesus was crucified by the Jews, Truth is equally crucified by spiritual Jews in our time. [size=12][/size][size=12][/size][size=12][/size][size=12][/size][size=12][/size][size=12][/size]
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Posted: Aug 19, 2006 11:03:31 PM
The events of John, chapters 13-17 is a discourse between the Lord and "eye witnesses," the apostles, which took place in the "upper room." Judas is told to leave the table in verse 27. He is speaking specifically to men that will be his "ambassadors," men, who will "turn the world upside down." This is not a general conversation to you and me. When you read John 14:25-26, "These things have I spoken unto you, being yet with you. But, when the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send on my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remberance, whatsoever I have said unto you." This is a specific promise and was fulfilled. Since you and I were not with the Lord at the "beginning," or "eye witnesses" (John 15:26-27), we have no part in this discourse. Again, He was speaking to men whom He informed: "If you ask anything in my name I will do it" (John 14:14). When studying Scripture, it is imparative we understand who Jesus is speaking with. Read Acts 3:1-8 and you will read of the "promise" of John 14:14: "Ask anything in my name and I will do it." I ask any Christian on the face of the earth today to perform that miracle....can't do it....Why? The "promise" was not made to you....you are not an "eye witnesess." We read at Pentecost, "the promise" of John 14:26 coming forth. "Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted uo his voice" (Acts 2:14). Please recall here what Jesus had promised to the apostles in the "upper room." "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which preceeds from the Father, he shall testify of me" (John 15:26). Read that verse again, note what the "Comforter" is to do. Now, read Peter's message at Pentecost to the Jew. Peter is "remembering" what the prophet Joel had prophecied; 2:28,29; 2:30-31. Ze. 12:10. Peter quotes Second Samauel, 7. 12.13; Psalms, 16:8; 132:14; 110:1. without script. Peter had instant "read out," long before the computer. We know Peter was able to do this through "the Spirit of truth," because Jesus had said (at the table in the upper room) "When the Comforted is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which preceeds from the Father, he shall testify of me." That is exactly what happen at Pentecost. The "Comforter," or "Advocate," meaning, "Word Giver" (1 John 2:1) testified of Jesus. through his "ambassador" Peter, and the other eleven. Please note, the signs and wonders were done by the apostles, nothing said about those who had obeyed Peter's word working miracles. Why? They had not been promised the "Comforter" as were the men in the "upper room."

Hermeneutics is the science of interpretation, and Exegesis is the pratical appliance of the rules or principles of this science in determining the intended message of the author.

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Posted: Aug 22, 2006 10:31:22 AM
Fastpitch, I hope you listen to God, through His words, as we do in this website. This is our friendly advice to you, hoping that you go over them, not only twice but several times. Just remember God expects not just emotional but real spiritual humility “like a little child.” Jer 17:5 Thus saith the LORD; [color=blue][b]Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, [/b][/color]and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD. Jer 17:9 [color=blue][b]The heart is deceitful above all things[/b][/color], and desperately wicked: who can know it? Prov 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and [color=blue][b]lean[/b] [b]not unto thine own understanding[/b].[/color] If you really desire to have divine knowledge and wisdom accept the following: Jam 1:5 [color=red][b]If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.[/b] [/color]Jam 1:6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. Jam 1:7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. Jam 1:8 [color=blue][b]A double minded man is unstable in all his ways[/b]. [/color] 1 Joh 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, [color=red][b]and ye need not that any man teach you[/b]:[/color] but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. Please accept our Lord’s sharp rebuke: Joh 8:19 Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: [color=red][size=18]if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also[/size]. [/color] 1 Cor 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. 20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? :21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom [color=blue][b]knew not God[/b][/color]… Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; [color=blue][b]the flesh profiteth nothing[/b][/color]: [color=red][b]the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit[[/b]/color], and they are life. 2 Cor 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are tempora; but the things which are not seen are eternal. And receive God’s love endowed only to spiritual “little children.” Mat 18:2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, 3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. Has God revealed to you the age of a “little child” to our Lord? Luk 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them [color=red][b]unto babes[/b][/color]: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight. Finally, we in this website wish you to discern the able ministers of the New Testament that you can distance yourself from the false prophets in our time whose organizations have attracted “many” people: 2 Cor 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; [color=blue][b]not of the letter[/b][/color], [color=red][b]but of the spirit[/b][/color]: [color=blue][b]for the letter killeth[/b][/color], [color=red][b]but the spirit giveth life[/b][/color]. We look forward to the day when you will be with us praising God, unlike many people do, but: Psa 56:10 In God will I praise his word: in the LORD will I praise his word. Psa 56:11 In God have I put my trust: I will not be afraid what man can do unto me. Psa 56:12 Thy vows are upon me, O God: I will render praises unto thee. God’s blessings of joy from the truth in His words, THE LOST SHEEP FOUND BY THE LORD [size=12][/size]
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Posted: Aug 23, 2006 8:37:58 AM
Cristonlese.... I accept you "friendly advise to listen to God's word. I note that you still quot Scripture: you have not come up with any new revelation and I can appreciate that. You quoted Jerimah 17:9: "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it." Yet, when I ask one who confesses to be "a Christian" to explain: how do you know you are a Christian? The first thing they will tell you, "I know in my heart?"............ Is this your answer Cristonlese? Feeling "saved" in ones heart is condradictory to Jerimah 17:9 is it not? May I ask, did Peter inform the men at Pentecost to "ask Jesus into their heart" upon being asked the question, "men and brethern, what must we do?" upon learning that they had been a party in crucifying God's Son? Can you find any scripture in "God's word informing man to "ask Jesus into their heart?" Now, I am "being quiet and listening" Christolese for an answere, "as a little child," as you have informed me to do. So, I agree with you and Jerimah....."the heart is desperately wicked" I do not trust it as the "seat of salvation." May I ask you, since the Bible DOES NOT TEACH that man is "lost" in his heart.....Just where is man "saved" from the wrath of God? By the way....In the parable of the "lost sheep," We can find nothing about this relating to man's salvation anymore than in the parable of the "lost coin," or "the prodigal son" in Luke 15. By hermeneutics and exegesis of the text we read that Jesus is explaining to the Pharisees and scribes who were "murming, saying , This man receives sinners, and eats with them." (Luke 15:2). The parables here are about God loving sinners. He "rejoices" when they are found. Count the number of times you find the word "rejoice" or "merry" in the parables in Luke 15. You see, the parables can be understood when you "seek and find." Point: when "God rejoices," and is "merry" and "glad," be not like the Pharisees and scribes who murmured, "He eats with sinners."

Hermeneutics is the science of interpretation, and Exegesis is the pratical appliance of the rules or principles of this science in determining the intended message of the author.

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Posted: Aug 23, 2006 9:10:13 AM
Fastpitch, I don't have an answer on my own whether a person is a real Christian or not. It is God who will test the person's spirit in the following: 1 Joh 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 1 Joh 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 1 Joh 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. All Bible believing people "confess Jesus Christ is come in the flesh." And yet they cannot agree on WHO Jesus Christ is before "coming in the flesh." The tempter may deceive some people counterfeiting the true Christ in "appearance/figure," but God has another "test" to expose the impostors. This is through their "voices" or the "language of the Lamb" compared with the "voice of the Dragon." Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and [b]he had two horns like a lamb[/b], and [color=blue][b]he spake as a dragon[/b][/color]. The clue revealed to Paul: 2 Cor 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. Have you noticed such persons?
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Posted: Aug 23, 2006 7:14:50 PM
Christ: Oh yes, I believe the "spirit gives life." This is the New Covenant: without the New Covenant a Gentile would be "lost" in his sins. To live under the "letter," or Old Covenant: is to be "dead." Do you believe in God's promises?

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