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Posted Apr 12, 2006 at 3:51:03 AM
Subject: Further clarification
When I read the following verses, I was thinking how they could be reconciled where in one, our Lord said, "hate," and in another He simply said, "love more than..." [color=red]Luk 14:26 If any man come to me, and [size=18]hate not [/size]his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. [size=12][/size][/color] [color=red]Mat 10:37 He that loveth father or mother [size=18]more than me [/size]is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. [size=12][/size][/color] I know there is should be no contradiction with what our Lord was saying. How could these verses be reconciled?
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Posted: Apr 12, 2006 2:06:38 PM
De:13:6: If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, [color=red][size=18]which is as thine own soul,[/size][/color] entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;
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art.barga
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Posted: Apr 12, 2006 3:28:49 PM
Brethren, please allow me to re-post the previous posting of our Brethren for more clarity of the issue- to supplement the verse quoted (Deu. 13-6) by Brethren. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Many" people see the Holy Bible as full of contradictions. An example: Luke 14:26 "If any man come to me, and HATE NOT his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple." The key word in the admonition is "to HATE..." There are two classes of people listening to our Lord, or reading His word in the Holy Bible: 1. The Natural Man (1 Cor. 2:14), typified by the Scribes, Pharisees, Sadducees, priests, the religious leaders of "many" Jews would "jump" in understanding/interpreting the word as in, "Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up"... (John 2:19) We saw how "foolish" they were thinking of the edifice, the literal temple. (John 2:20). In like manner, since the "key word" in Luke 14:26 is "to hate," the Natural Man could not imagine hating "father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life" for this will CONTRADICT the commandment on LOVE. Trying to reconcile the seemingly contradictory verses of "to hate" and "to love" at the same time, the Natural Man evades the key word "to hate" and changes it "to love Jesus more than what is stated to be hated..." Definitely a replay of the Jews mocking our Lord for saying, "... build the temple in three days." 2. The Spiritual Man (1 Cor. 2:15-16) typified by the Disciples of our Lord simply kept silent for they were ignorant as "babes" (Matt. 11:25). They just waited for the explanation by demonstration when Jesus died and rose again from the dead on the third day (John 2:21-22). In like manner, hearing Jesus say, "If any man come to me, and HATE NOT...," the Spiritual Man would simple keep silent and wait for God's revelation of what He means. Since the Shepherd is anxious to TEACH His flock, He will guide them to His word revealing what is to be HATED: Deu 13:6 "If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is AS thine OWN SOUL, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers." What is to be HATED is "own soul." Again the Natural Man philosophies saying, "How could I hate my own soul, when this is what I love to have eternal life?" "Unseen" are the attributes of the SOUL: 1.Intellect/human wisdom (1 Cor. 1:19-21, Col. 2:8, 1 Cor. 3:18-21) 2. Feeling/emotion (Jer. 17:9, Prov. 28:26) These are the attributes of the SOUL that the person is being enticed: "...entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers." Contradiction in the word of God? 1. In the eyes of the Natural Man? Full of contradictions trying to reconcile them, or leaving them as such, and thus remaining in the "dark." 2. In the eyes of the Spiritual Man? Perfect harmony from God's own explanation! Thus, the distinction between the SHEEP and the GOATS hearing the word of the Lord. ----- Original Message ----- From: "vdf" <bibletalk@purechristianity.org> To: <bibletalk@purechristianity.org> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 9:32 AM Subject: RE: Further clarification [quote] De:13:6: If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own[/quote] soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; [quote] [/quote]
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scott_baldwin29
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Posted: Apr 13, 2006 5:24:55 AM
Thanks be to God. Sometimes I am wondering how God could have brought me "to see the light." I feel like Noah now looking at people: Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark." This inspires me to share the truth.
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