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CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM TO BE DESTROYED!

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Posted Feb 14, 2006 at 8:42:55 AM
Subject: CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM TO BE DESTROYED!
As both Christianity and Islam have grown to unprecedented proportion and became exceedingly rich (i.e., the leaders) and wicked and violent, their inevitable end is already in sight and their time is running out. Notice the following verses that pertain to the Kingdom of Islam and Christianity. (Note: Jesus was also referring to his kingdom and so was the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia where Islam originated.) Daniel 2:31-35 "... 31 Thou, O king, sawest, and behold a great image. This great image, whose brightness was excellent, stood before thee; and the form thereof was terrible. 32 This image's head was of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his belly and his thighs of brass, 33 His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay. 34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces. 35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth. REVELATION 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, [size=18]which deceiveth the whole world[/size]: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels (i.e., ministers of righteousness [II Cor. 11:13-15] ) were cast out with him. (Note: The Mother of harlots is represented by the Roman Catholic Church while the harlots are the protestant churches or any offshoot of the said mother Church. And also Satan can predict the future.)

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Posted: Feb 14, 2006 9:37:17 AM
The Holy Bible is “open” to all. As a matter of fact, we hear Satan citing verses in the Bible in tempting our Lord in the desert: Mat 4:5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple, Mat 4:6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. Satan was quoting verses in the book of Psalms: Psa 91:11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways. Psa 91:12 They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone. Contrary to what Satan and many people think, the “book” is sealed with 7 seals as it is written in: Rev 5:1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a [color=red][b] BOOK[/b][/b][/b][/color] written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. Rev 5:2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? Rev 5:3 And [color=blue][b]NO MAN IN HEAVEN, NOR IN EARTH[/b][/color], neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. Rev 5:4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon. Rev 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, WEEP NOT: BEHOLD, [b][color=red]THE LION OF THE TRIBE OF JUDA, THE ROOT OF DAVID, HATH PREVAILED TO OPEN THE BOOK, AND TO LOOSE THE SEVEN SEALS THEREOF[/color][/b]. Does not the foregoing refer to the following? Mar 4:34 [u]But without a parable spake he not unto them[/u]: and when they were alone, [color=red][b]HE EXPOUNDED ALL THINGS TO HIS DISCIPLES[/b][/color]. Is there any man on earth able to expound on the words of our Lord that are expressed in parables?
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Posted: Feb 14, 2006 10:00:35 AM
Is there another God besides God Almighty? Is Jesus God? Just to whom was Jesus praying to? If Jesus is God, then why is he praying to GOD? How about the god of Islam named "Allah"? Is it the same God of the Israelites? Is Muhammed a true prophet?

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Posted: Feb 14, 2006 6:02:03 PM
1. Is there another God besides God Almighty? Revelation 1:8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. " 2. Is Jesus God? Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 3. Just to whom was Jesus praying to? John 4:24 "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. " 2Corinthians 3:17 "Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." 1Corinthians 12:11 "But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will." 4.If Jesus is God, then why is he praying to GOD? 1Peter 2:21 "For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:" 5. How about the god of Islam named "Allah"? Is it the same God of the Israelites? 1 John 5:20 "And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life." 6. Is Muhammed a true prophet? 1Corinthians 14:37 "If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord."
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Posted: Feb 14, 2006 6:29:09 PM
Dear Almario, JESUS WHO WAS SATAN in disguised as a wolf in SHEEP clothing said those words because he wants to be like GOD! HE BLASPHEMES GOD! I know it's hard for us Christians to accept the truth that Jesus is not God, but if we will seek and search the Sriptures which was the original Holy Bible and was mistakenly called the Old Testament Books, we will see clearly that there is really One and Only One GOD ALMIGHTY as quoted by "Stinger" and "RevealerofTruth"! Also, the New Testament Books which makes it appear that Jesus is also God was not a part of the original Holy Bible or the so called Scriptures.... and so we should not read the New Testament anymore. Notice how the Book of Ezekiel greatly refuted the popular beliefs of the Christians that somebody (Jesus) should die for someones sin. Ezekiel Chapter 18 - The sinner shall die, but no one will suffer for another's sin: 1 The word of the Lord came unto me again, saying, 2 What mean ye, that ye use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge? 3 As I live, saith the Lord God, ye shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Israel. 4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die. 5 But if a man be just, and do that which is lawful and right, 6 And hath not eaten upon the mountains, neither hath lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, neither hath defiled his neighbour's wife, neither hath come near to a menstruous woman, 7 And hath not oppressed any, but hath restored to the debtor his pledge, hath spoiled none by violence, hath given his bread to the hungry, and hath covered the naked with a garment; 8 He that hath not given forth upon usury, neither hath taken any increase, that hath withdrawn his hand from iniquity, hath executed true judgment between man and man, 9 Hath walked in my statutes, and hath kept my judgments, to deal truly; he is just, he shall surely live, saith the Lord God. 10 If he beget a son that is a robber, a shedder of blood, and that doeth the like to any one of these things, 11 And that doeth not any of those duties, but even hath eaten upon the mountains, and defiled his neighbour's wife, 12 Hath oppressed the poor and needy, hath spoiled by violence, hath not restored the pledge, and hath lifted up his eyes to the idols, hath committed abomination, 13 Hath given forth upon usury, and hath taken increase: shall he then live? he shall not live: he hath done all these abominations; he shall surely die; his blood shall be upon him. 14 Now, lo, if he beget a son, that seeth all his father's sins which he hath done, and considereth, and doeth not such like, 15 That hath not eaten upon the mountains, neither hath lifted up his eyes to the idols of the house of Israel, hath not defiled his neighbour's wife, 16 Neither hath oppressed any, hath not withholden the pledge, neither hath spoiled by violence, but hath given his bread to the hungry, and hath covered the naked with a garment, 17 That hath taken off his hand from the poor, that hath not received usury nor increase, hath executed my judgments, hath walked in my statutes; he shall not die for the iniquity of his father, he shall surely live. 18 As for his father, because he cruelly oppressed, spoiled his brother by violence, and did that which is not good among his people, lo, even he shall die in his iniquity. 19 Yet say ye, Why? doth not the son bear the iniquity of the father? When the son hath done that which is lawful and right, and hath kept all my statutes, and hath done them, he shall surely live. 20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. 21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. 22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live. 23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord God: and not that he should return from his ways, and live? 24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. 25 Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal? 26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die. 27 Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive. 28 Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die. 29 Yet saith the house of Israel, The way of the Lord is not equal. O house of Israel, are not my ways equal? are not your ways unequal? 30 Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord God. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin. 31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel? 32 For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord God: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye. The above chapter alone greatly debunks Jesus' supposed remission of sins of the people.
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Posted: Feb 15, 2006 2:19:51 AM
Of course there is only one God, the Father. He(Jesus) shall be called The everlasting Father. LORD, thou art our Father, our Redeemer,..." A covenant(will) isn't valid until the death of the covenant maker. Hence the covenant God Almighty made with Abraham. Hence the crucifixtion of Jesus Christ!
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Posted: Feb 15, 2006 7:50:07 AM
But Steve, According to the Holy Bible (Old Testament), the true prophesied Christ was named "Immanuel" not Jesus and "... his NAME shall be called wonderful counselor, everlasting father, prince of peace, Mighty God, ... " You see Steve, it was his name only that carries those title or meaning and not the person himself, because there cannot be two God and God don't give His Glory to another! Also for the simple fact that the Jews gave names with appropriate meaning to their newborns. Consider this: WILL GOD EVER CHANGE? (Malachi 3:6), Will He ever change from being Holy and Sacred to being despised and profaned? Can God be mocked? Can anybody spit on God's face? Slap God, beat God, and mock God? And is there any prophecy that God Himself would become a man or be born of a flesh? Isn't Jesus deserves those things because he "blasphemes" God for making himself equal to God? What do you think Steve, if Satan who wants to be like God and would deceive the whole world, will he appear as himself with horns, tail, and holding pitch fork and started saying "love me and worship me for I and my father God are one", or by appearing cleverly as a meek man named Jesus? Does God really loved the sinners and the wicked? Can you find any verse that supports the false Christian beliefs that God loves the sinners and He is going to save them and give Himself to die for them and give them eternal life? Isn't God hates and destroys the sinners and the wicked together? But loves the righteous or those that shun evil?
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Posted: Feb 15, 2006 9:51:40 PM
Immanuel means God with us. Job 19:25 "For I know that my Redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:" As Christ did indeed. As a shepherd searches for his lost sheep, likewise did the Great Shepherd come in flesh to search out those that were His chosen. [quote] From:  [i]"Maxgyver" <bibletalk@purechristianity.org>[/i] Reply-To:  [i]bibletalk@purechristianity.org[/i] To:  [i]bibletalk@purechristianity.org[/i] Subject:  [i]RE: CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM TO BE DESTROYED![/i] Date:  [i]Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:50:08 -0700[/i] [quote]But Steve, According to the Holy Bible (Old Testament), the true prophesied Christ was named Immanuel not Jesus and "... his [b]name[/b] shall be called wonderful counselor, everlasting father, prince of peace, Mighty God, ... " You see Steve, it was his name only that carries those title and not the person himself, because there cannot be two God and God don't give His Glory to another! Also for the simple fact that the Jews gave names with appropriate meaning to their newborns. Consider this: WILL GOD EVER CHANGE? (Malachi 3:6), Will He ever change from being Holy and Sacred to being despised and profaned? Can God be mocked? Can anybody spit on God's face? Slap God, beat God, and mock God? And is there any prophecy that God Himself would become a man or be born of a flesh? Isn't Jesus deserves those things because he "blasphemes" God for making himself equal to God? What do you think Steve, if Satan who wants to be like God and would deceive the whole world, will he appear as himself with horns, tail, and holding pitch fork and started saying "love me and worship me for I and my father God are one", or by appearing cleverly as a meek man named Jesus? Does God really loved the sinners and the wicked? Can you find any verse that supports the false Christian beliefs that God loves the sinners and He is going to save them and give Himself to die for them and give them eternal life? Isn't God hates and destroys the sinners and the wicked together? But loves the righteous or those that shun evil? [/quote] [/quote]
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Posted: Feb 16, 2006 2:13:39 AM
Isaiah 52:5-6 "....and my name continually every day is blasphemed. Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I." The name of Jesus is blasphemed everyday. The Word of God is blasphemed everyday. The Truth is blasphemed everyday. This topic is an example of blaspheming the name of God.
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Posted: Feb 16, 2006 6:35:17 AM
More revelations from God of His words. Gen 17:1 ... the [size=18]LORD[/size] appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect. Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the [size=18]Lord[/size], which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name [size=18]Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.[/size] Psa 139:20 For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain. Isa 53:1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? Isa 53:2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. Isa 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Psa 74:10 O God, how long shall the adversary reproach? shall the enemy blaspheme thy name for ever? [size=12][/size]
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Posted: Feb 16, 2006 7:40:28 AM
RE: Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Fil, can you read? Would you pls. read again the said verse.... can you & Steve cannot see that the verse clearly said: "and they shall call HIS NAME IMMANUEL, which means God with us." The NAME was simply "IMMANUEL" which simply means God with us! Surely it does not say, 'and his name shall be called "Jesus".... NOW, WAS THAT MEAN 'THE CHILD WAS GOD HIMSELF INCARNATE?' Also consider this: WOULD YOU BEING A FATHER CALL YOUR SON "MY SERVANT"? (Isaiah 53:11) The fact is, the said prophesied Christ was a SERVANT OF GOD and not God himself. ANSWER THIS: JUST HOW DO YOU THINK SATAN WHO IS BOTH WISE AND CLEVER CAN DECEIVED THE WHOLE WORLD? (WHICH HE ALREADY DID.) WILL HE APPEAR AS THE DEVIL WITH TWO HORNS, A TAIL AND HOLDING A PITCH FORK? YOU MUST BE KIDDING YOURSELF. GOD WHO WAS FROM THE BEGINNING IS GREATLY TO BE FEARED AND WHO HAD ALREADY DESTROYED INNUMERABLE NUMBERS OF SINNING AND WICKED PEOPLE AS IN SODOM AND GOMORRAH, THE IDOLATERS IN MT. SINAI, THE GREAT FLOOD IN NOAH'S TIME SIMPLY DOES NOT CHANGE HIS STANCE AGAINST THE SINNERS AND THE WICKED, FOR HE PLAINLY STATED IN MAL. 3:6 "FOR I AM THE LORD I CHANGE NOT ..." Now would He suddenly change Himself from being full of glory to being despised and profaned? And be beaten, manhandled, scourged, slapped, spitted upon in the face, mocked and crucified? In addition, the "suffering servant" was not GOD Himself but was probably a family man for "... he shall see his SEED and prolong his life..."
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Posted: Feb 17, 2006 1:50:11 AM
Maxgyver, As it is written, "God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." It also is written "....and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me."   and "...and all flesh shall know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the Mighty One of Jacob." Also, "For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord." Again "...for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world."  and finally "looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;" "because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened." [quote] From:  [i]"Maxgyver" <bibletalk@purechristianity.org>[/i] Reply-To:  [i]bibletalk@purechristianity.org[/i] To:  [i]bibletalk@purechristianity.org[/i] Subject:  [i]RE: CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM TO BE DESTROYED![/i] Date:  [i]Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:40:29 -0700[/i] [quote]RE: Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Fil, can you read? Would you pls. read again the said verse.... can you & Steve cannot see that there was a part of the verse that had clearly said, "and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which means God with us." NOW, WAS THAT MEAN 'THE CHILD WAS GOD HIMSELF INCARNATE?' Also consider this: WOULD YOU BEING A FATHER CALL YOUR SON "MY SERVANT"? (Isaiah 53:11) The fact is, the said prophesied Christ was a SERVANT OF GOD and not God himself. ANSWER THIS: JUST HOW DO YOU THINK SATAN WHO IS BOTH WISE AND CLEVER CAN DECEIVED THE WHOLE WORLD? (WHICH HE ALREADY DID.) WILL HE APPEAR AS THE DEVIL WITH TWO HORNS, A TAIL AND HOLDING A PITCH FORK? YOU MUST BE KIDDING YOURSELF. GOD WHO WAS FROM THE BEGINNING IS GREATLY TO BE FEARED AND WHO HAD ALREADY DESTROYED INNUMERABLE NUMBERS OF SINNING AND WICKED PEOPLE AS IN SODOM AND GOMORRAH, THE IDOLATERS IN MT. SINAI, THE GREAT FLOOD IN NOAH'S TIME SIMPLY DOES NOT CHANGE HIS STANCE AGAINST THE SINNERS AND THE WICKED, FOR HE PLAINLY STATED IN MAL. 3:6 "FOR I AM THE LORD I CHANGE NOT ..." Now would He suddenly change Himself from being full of glory to being despised and profaned? And be beaten, manhandled, scourged, slapped, spitted upon in the face, mocked and crucified? In addition, the "suffering servant" was not GOD Himself but was probably a family man for "... he shall see his SEED and prolong his life..." [/quote] [/quote]
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Posted: Feb 17, 2006 7:17:04 AM
STEVE, Haven't you considered the fact that the Old Testament Books are ALREADY COMPLETE? Who was the Only redeemer and Saviour? Is there another Lord and Saviour besides God ALmighty? God said: "I even I am the Lord and besides Me, there is no God"! Is that clear enough? The words written in the New Testament or Gospels are words written by HIGHLY INTELLIGENT FALLEN ANGELS that DECEIVES THE WHOLE WORLD in making another lord and savior by the name of Jesus! SNAP OUT OF IT AND BE FREE!!!
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Posted: Feb 18, 2006 2:25:20 AM
How many Satan's are there? One or two? If as you say Jesus was Satan in disguise, then who was Jesus tempted by in the wilderness? As mentioned before, Job 19:25 "For I know that my Redeemer liveth, and that [b]he shall stand [/b]at the latter day [b]upon the earth[/b]." Isaiah 59:20 "And [b]the Redeemer shall come [/b]to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD." The LORD did tell of His coming in the OT. [quote] From:  [i]"Maxgyver" <bibletalk@purechristianity.org>[/i] Reply-To:  [i]bibletalk@purechristianity.org[/i] To:  [i]bibletalk@purechristianity.org[/i] Subject:  [i]RE: CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM TO BE DESTROYED![/i] Date:  [i]Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:17:04 -0700[/i] [quote]STEVE, Haven't you considered the fact that the Old Testament Books are ALREADY COMPLETE? Who was the Only redeemer and Saviour? Is there another Lord and Saviour besides God ALmighty? God said: "I even I am the Lord and besides Me, there is no God"! Is that clear enough? The words written in the New Testament or Gospels are words written by HIGHLY INTELLIGENT FALLEN ANGELS that DECEIVES THE WHOLE WORLD in making another lord and savior by the name of Jesus! SNAP OUT OF IT AND BE FREE!!! [/quote] [/quote]
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Posted: Feb 18, 2006 7:04:39 AM
Steve, The supposed "Satan" who was said to tempt Jesus in the Gospel could simply be anyone of his comrades of fallen angels! IT WAS SIMPLY A STAGE SHOW PLANNED IN ADVANCE BY SATAN AND HIS BUNCH OF HIGHLY INTELLIGENT SCHEMING FALLEN ANGELS OUT TO DECEIVE THE WHOLE WORLD! Just think.... how could Satan the Devil and his fallen angels can deceive the whole world without acting like "REAL" holy and righteous angels? huh? Also think about this: do you really think that Satan who was actually the fallen angel Lucifer think that he was a poor loser and a sinner? NO SIR! The fact is, Satan thinks highly of himself and not as a sinner since the moment he thinks and accept that he was indeed a sinner and had committed a big mistake of sinning against GOD, then he will have no power to challenge God anymore since he will be simply be ashame of himself. Therefore he cannot be a worthy opponent of God! AND MY THEORY IS THAT, SATAN WHO WAS JESUS COULD BE CHALLENGING GOD'S RIGHTEOUSNESS BY QUESTIONING GOD'S LAWS AND COMMANDMENTS. Regarding your comment: "As mentioned before, Job 19:25 "For I know that my Redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth." Isaiah 59:20 "And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD." The LORD did tell of His coming in the OT. WELL STEVE, THOSE VERSES INDEED TALKED ABOUT THE COMING OF THE "CHRIST" WHO WAS THE TRUE PROPHESIED CHRIST TO BE NAMED "IMMANUEL"...."AND A GOVERNMENT SHALL BE UPON HIS SHOULDER...." REMEMBER THIS: THE SUPPOSED SECOND COMING IS THE COMING OF THE TRUE PROPHESIED CHRIST AND HE IS NOT THE FALSE CHRIST NAMED JESUS!!!
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Posted: Feb 20, 2006 10:05:16 PM
Maxgyver, So you agree with the scriptures that refer to the coming of Christ. You just don't believe Jesus was Christ right? If not, I ask Him to increase your faith. [quote] From:  [i]"Maxgyver" <bibletalk@purechristianity.org>[/i] Reply-To:  [i]bibletalk@purechristianity.org[/i] To:  [i]bibletalk@purechristianity.org[/i] Subject:  [i]RE: CHRISTIANITY AND ISLAM TO BE DESTROYED![/i] Date:  [i]Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:04:40 -0700[/i] [quote]Steve, The supposed "Satan" who was said to tempt Jesus in the Gospel could simply be anyone of his comrades of fallen angels! IT WAS SIMPLY A STAGE SHOW PLANNED IN ADVANCE BY SATAN AND HIS BUNCH OF HIGHLY INTELLIGENT SCHEMING FALLEN ANGELS OUT TO DECEIVE THE WHOLE WORLD! Just think.... how could Satan the Devil and his fallen angels can deceive the whole world without acting like "REAL" holy and righteous angels? huh? Also think about this: do you really think that Satan who was actually the fallen angel Lucifer think that he was a poor loser and a sinner? NO SIR! The fact is, Satan thinks highly of himself and not as a sinner since the moment he thinks and accept that he was indeed a sinner and had committed a big mistake of sinning against GOD, then he will have no power to challenge God anymore since he will be simply be ashame of himself. Therefore he cannot be a worthy opponent of God! AND MY THEORY IS THAT, SATAN WHO WAS JESUS COULD BE CHALLENGING GOD'S RIGHTEOUSNESS BY QUESTIONING GOD'S LAWS AND COMMANDMENTS. Regarding your comment: "As mentioned before, Job 19:25 "For I know that my Redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth." Isaiah 59:20 "And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD." The LORD did tell of His coming in the OT. WELL STEVE, THOSE VERSES INDEED TALKED ABOUT THE COMING OF THE "CHRIST" WHO WAS THE TRUE PROPHESIED CHRIST TO BE NAMED "IMMANUEL"...."AND A GOVERNMENT SHALL BE UPON HIS SHOULDER...." [/quote] [/quote]
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