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Holy Spirit Baptism (?)

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Posted Aug 10, 2006 at 11:25:35 PM
Subject: Holy Spirit Baptism (?)
Correct me if I am wrong, but was not the "Baptism of the Holy Spirit" FIRST promised to the Pharisees and Sadducees? I note John the Baptist in Matthew 3 in his rebuke to these men. When did the baptism of the Pharisees and Sadducees take place? John is speaking to a "generation of vipers" (Ma. 3:7), men who did not believe what he was preaching: "the kingdom is at hand" (Ma. 3:2, 10:7). Is this the "kingdom" prophesied in Daniel 2:44 "which shall never be destroyed"? Is this the "kingdom" Jesus was referring to in John 3:3? Nicodemous was a "Pharisee," a "teacher of Israel" (John 3:1, 3:10). Why even Jesus was puzzled that this "teacher" did not understand the "kingdom" promise of the Old Testament. Why would Nicodemus not have known about this "kingdom" that Jesus said was "prepared from the foundation of the world" (Matthew 25:34)? Is this the "kingdom" that Paul has inferred the Christian was "delivered from the power of darkness, and translated into the kingdom of his dear Son" (Colossians 1:13)? Are we in this "kingdom"? Noting Matthew 25:37-39: the "sheep" or "righteous" were to "inherit the kingdom" and they had no idea why. They must ask the King "why me"? Read His answer in verse 40....! The "goats" on the "left hand" or "unrighteous" were to "go away into everlasting punishment." Why, even the "goats" must ask the question: "when did we see you hungrey, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick or in prison, and did not minister unto you? Surely this is not "salvation by works" to inherit this "kingdom prepared from the foundation of the world." If you do not feed the hungry, or visit the prisons you are a "goat"? When did the "righteous" do this?

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cristinolese
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Posted: Aug 20, 2006 3:52:52 PM
Fastpitch, There were two kinds of listeners to our Lord Jesus: 1.[color=blue] The Jews in general[/color] [color=red]2. The Jews who have humbled themselves like "little children," became His disciples (Mat. 18:3, 11:25)[/color] There former could not understand what our Lord was talking about like saying, [color=red]"Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it."[/color] At Pentecost, the Disciples saw these two (2) kinds listeners to them: [color=red]1. Those who could understand their language "speaking in tongues"[/color] Act 2:6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. Act 2:7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? Act 2:8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? Act 2:9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, Act 2:10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Act 2:11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. Act 2:12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this? [color=blue]2. Those who mocked the Disciples thinking they were drunk:[/color] Act 2:13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine. Peter stood in defense of the true Disciples of Christ: Act 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: Act 2:15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; Please read the article: PENTECOST AND CLOVEN TONGUES in this website: http://www.purechristianity.org/index.php/news/Pentecost_and_Cloven_Tongues
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Fastpitch
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Posted: Aug 20, 2006 11:39:34 PM
I cannot agree that their were "two kinds of listeners" at Pentecost. The Bible says: "They were ALL amazed, and saying one to another , What does this mean? (Acts 2:12) So, we must sumize: none of the men who dwelt in Jerusalem and Judaea knew what was happening until Peter told them. The Bible says:"Then they that gladly received Peter's words were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls." We are not informed how many who heard, "did not believe." From reading Acts 2:37-47 we learn that to be "added by the Lord," one must be "baptized for the remission of their sins, before receiving the "gift of the Holy Spirit."

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almario1
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Posted: Aug 27, 2006 3:30:01 PM
Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 12:03 am Post subject: UNITY OF BELIEF (faith) AMONG CHRISTIANS? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If we may notice, some participants in this forum seem to advocate unity of belief concerning God and salvation. Who would say this is not fine since LOVE is the basic consideration? The burial of Pope Paul II demonstrated this admirable gesture of “Christians.” (Capital letters for emphasis) This is called Ecumenism where Christian denominations seek to achieve unity through cooperation and fostering of greater mutual understanding. The ecumenical process is inherently one that dispels fanaticism and that, at its best, attempts to arrive at the truth through a careful weighing of contending viewpoints. This is a typical example of human wisdom carried by emotion. Who can judge this concept but God alone through His words? Will this be for His glory? To God, good intention and sincerity is not enough: Rom 10:2 “For I bear them record that they have a ZEAL of God, BUT NOT ACCORDING TO KNOWLEDGE. 3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, HAVE NOT SUBMITTED THEMSELVES UNTO THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD.” God gave the bottom line for His Way. It is spiritual (not emotional) humility where knowledge for the truth is endowed. How many people are willing to be “converted into little children” in the eyes of God, so as to be endowed with divine knowledge and wisdom? Mat 11:25 “At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.” 2 Tim 3:15 “And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.” This is not only true in the New but in the Old Testament as well, for “Truth, as distinguished from the “letter” of the word, is the same, yesterday, and forever” Isa 28:9 KJV “Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.” God’s way is unacceptable to many people. Otherwise ecumenism should not have been thought of. Since ECUMENISM is supposed to be founded on LOVE of God, through the route of loving our FELLOWMEN, “unseen” by many people is a “reverse gear” in the eyes of God, citing: 1 John 4:20 "If a man say, I love God, and hateth his BROTHER, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?" Thus proponents of ecumenism advocate, "first love thy fellowmen for this the proof for loving God." "Unseen" by them is "fellowmen" is different from "brother or neighbour" in the eyes of God. "Brother" is a chosen of God. "Neighbour" is a person, described by our Lord in the Parable of the Good Samaritan (Luke 10:29), the victim of “thieves” (John 10:1) and ignored by the “Levite and priest” (Luke 10:31-32, Matt. 23) who was leaving Jerusalem and going to Jericho: Luk 10:30 “And Jesus answering said, a certain man went down FROM JERUSALEM TO JERICHO, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his...” The significance of “leaving Jerusalem” and “going to Jericho” is demonstrated by the “fleeing” child Jesus “from Jeruslaem (Matt. 2:1-3) to Egypt (Matt. 2:13).” “Jerusalem” is believed to be a place for Godly people but it was in Jerusalem that religious people hated Jesus Christ. “Jericho” is a place of ungodly people in the Old Testament (Heb. 11:30) and “blind, sick people” in the New Testament (Matt. 4:24). Jesus said: Mar 2:17 “When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.” “Neighbour” (Mark 12:31) and “brother” (1 John 4:20) therefore refers to a chosen of God. “Love thy neighbour as thyself” is the THIRD STEP in the “love process,” of which ECUMENISM is based misconstruing “neighbour and brother” for “fellowmen.” Under ecumenism here is the route to eternal life: FIRST STEP – Love of fellowmen SECOND STEP – Love of God THIRD STEP – Know God (presumption) JESUS CHRIST SHOWED THE CORRECT “ROUTE” TO ETERNAL LIFE, THE REVERSE OF ECUMENISM: FIRST STEP – Identify the “Lord our God is one Lord” Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: SECOND STEP – Love the One True God Mar 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. THIRD STEP – Love of neighbour/brother Mar 12:31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. Christianity is divided into sects because Jesus Christ’s “route” to eternal is disregarded by religious people. They ignore “identifying the One True God.” Thus, the need for the TWO TESTS for spirits. First test (Identification of the True Christ): 1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. Question: Who is “Jesus Christ come in the flesh?” The Son or the Father? Second test (To expose the false Christ through his “voice”): Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns LIKE A LAMB, and HE SPAKE AS A DRAGON. [b]Very regrettably, some participants in this Discussion Forum are evading to take these tests. Necessarily therefore, two flocks need to be segregated because each has it own shepherd speaking different languages. The two flocks can never be under One Shepherd. For those who have recognized JESUS as Simon Peter did by the “revelation of the Father,” (Matt. 16:16-17) composed the first flock. Simon Peter “hears” the voice of Lamb (John 10:3,5) and speaks His “language.”[/b]
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